tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post1076516965668889645..comments2024-03-28T16:26:35.679-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Scissors, Rock, PaperOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-26524289725205076522017-10-23T16:08:49.540-07:002017-10-23T16:08:49.540-07:00Yup, the guns took a back seat to the rifle in tha...Yup, the guns took a back seat to the rifle in that war.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40260321582335551072017-10-23T15:54:44.732-07:002017-10-23T15:54:44.732-07:00Sarge,
Am a bit late to the party with this, but ...Sarge,<br /><br />Am a bit late to the party with this, but thought many here would enjoy this presentation, especially at the 25:00 mark where he talks about "ringing the battery".<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOQOUGOK0kQ<br /><br />Found here--<br /><br />http://weaponsman.com/?p=38317RHT447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42271231256949391712017-10-23T11:55:26.958-07:002017-10-23T11:55:26.958-07:00Hahaha!
I look forward to your smart-alecky comme...Hahaha!<br /><br />I look forward to your smart-alecky comments. And posts.<br /><br />;)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-77721125215061854152017-10-23T09:40:33.474-07:002017-10-23T09:40:33.474-07:00"Yes, I left out a lot of things, howitzers, ..."Yes, I left out a lot of things, howitzers, rifles, rockets, lions, and tigers, and bears. Oh my." Yeah, like all the anti-aircraft batteries and armor. (I don't have much knowledge of historical battles or infantry so I have to just come up with smart-alecky comments like that)Tunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04930237104692982421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-24288939208227330192017-10-22T09:59:32.112-07:002017-10-22T09:59:32.112-07:00Spot on.
You know your history Paweł. I might not...Spot on.<br /><br />You know your history Paweł. I might note (for those who don't know, and Paweł does), at Somosierra that was Polish cavalry.<br /><br />You Poles have always been brilliant horsemen!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-45002112842920411392017-10-21T21:34:55.209-07:002017-10-21T21:34:55.209-07:00cavalry was sure also effective and moving down un...cavalry was sure also effective and moving down unportected canoneers...<br />#Somossierra<br /><br />re:civil war<br />there, and in the Crimean war before, rifled muskets did made stunning entrance, and breechloaders/repeaters were already entering into action in civil war...<br />re: French in 1870<br />Prussians had better artillery, and their Dreyse needlers were almost as good as french Chassepote rifles.<br />it was bloody affair for such a short war, had it devolved into longer slugging match, it would probably be like ww1 4 decades early <br /><br />to add another "warning sign before 1914" Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 - Japan won not only Tsushima but also land war, at staggering costs in lives, though... and learned precisely the wrong lessons, thinking that samurai spirit can beat modern firepowerPaweł Kasperekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17636249014878876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-71970968184140454802017-10-21T17:05:45.900-07:002017-10-21T17:05:45.900-07:00Now that's a favorite of mine!Now that's a favorite of mine!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-63876570562530750032017-10-21T17:05:04.233-07:002017-10-21T17:05:04.233-07:00:):)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40457142165611931492017-10-21T16:32:54.728-07:002017-10-21T16:32:54.728-07:00Ancient tactics in modern day warfare? Say it ain&...Ancient tactics in modern day warfare? <a href="http://oldafsarge.blogspot.com/2015/08/cannae-at-mach-13.html" rel="nofollow">Say </a>it ain't so.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-22056804829250055672017-10-21T16:22:37.912-07:002017-10-21T16:22:37.912-07:00Thanks for the post. Very good, as usual. Commente...Thanks for the post. Very good, as usual. Commenters spot on as well.<br /><br />Paul L. QuandtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-38962326828254330562017-10-21T16:16:17.695-07:002017-10-21T16:16:17.695-07:00Other than Isandlwana, where their officers comple...Other than Isandlwana, where their officers completely dropped the ball, yes.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-90655264070734993032017-10-21T13:08:16.214-07:002017-10-21T13:08:16.214-07:00This has probably been true since the very first w...This has probably been true since the very first war.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-64092980912740037972017-10-21T12:03:36.673-07:002017-10-21T12:03:36.673-07:00You write (so well),
"My theory is that once ...You write (so well),<br />"My theory is that once the war is over (generically speaking) the officers who have seen the most combat are heartily sick of it and return to civilian life. Those who spent the bulk of their time "in the rear with the gear" stayed in and became generals and advisers to politicians. Those who had learned nothing from the last war rose to command the bloody debacles of the next."<br />This seems to be so true, even in my brief experience. I knew a few ring knockers and one made four stars. He appeared to be ingenuous even as a O-2. It was obvious to all in the squadron. This was in the deuce, protecting us from the mighty bear in the North or somewhere.Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-70451413608375081312017-10-21T10:30:47.370-07:002017-10-21T10:30:47.370-07:00Thanks for the great posts. It is always interest...Thanks for the great posts. It is always interesting to see how the tactics of ancient days lasted (sometimes very modified, sometimes not so modified) up to the recent modern era (about 1917-1918, depending on what country/military we are talking about.)<br /><br />The rifle-square sure worked for the British during the Zulu wars, didn't it.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-68999632961125398662017-10-21T10:05:18.278-07:002017-10-21T10:05:18.278-07:00Excellent synopsis of the evolving weapon systems ...Excellent synopsis of the evolving weapon systems and tactics from 1850 to 1918. (The former evolved faster than the latter, that's for sure!)<br /><br />My theory is that once the war is over (generically speaking) the officers who have seen the most combat are heartily sick of it and return to civilian life. Those who spent the bulk of their time "in the rear with the gear" stayed in and became generals and advisers to politicians. Those who had learned nothing from the last war rose to command the bloody debacles of the next.<br /><br />Seems a never ending cycle...OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-29051191640375197142017-10-21T09:37:43.867-07:002017-10-21T09:37:43.867-07:00Rifles, better cannon and their ammunition, and th...Rifles, better cannon and their ammunition, and the completely different topography of the US vs Europe. <br /><br />The Europeans had an idea what so-called 'modern war' looked like, as they all sent observers to 'our' war, and they all sent observers to the Crimean war (those that didn't fight in that one.)<br /><br />The French and Germans(ish) also had lots of pointy reminders during the whole French and Prussian War(s) thingy, with the introduction of centerfire rifles (the French), machine guns in combat (in Europe)(the French again) and modern recoiling artillery (yet again, the French.)(How could the French lose, with all this innovation? Well, just repeat, to yourself, the word 'French.')<br /><br />Then there were the little dust-ups, line the Spanish-American War and the unpleasantness between the Tsar and the Emperor (of Japan), which saw full use of machine guns, gatling guns, reasonably modern naval artillery. Only thing missing were airplanes, really.<br /><br />All of these conflicts had plenty of observers from all the powers, lots of books and papers written about them, changes in the various countries' weapons and tactics to deal with the new upcoming threats.<br /><br />Just, well, 20-20 hindsight was probably invented by war-fighters. "Ogg, why you turn your back on Nog, when he have stick in hand? He always hit you when you turn back to him." "Well, uh, I worked with Bog, to not turn back to Nog, but..."<br /><br />Especially since it seems the stupid was very condensed during the Great War.<br /><br />Though, looking at it from the distance of time, I understand why trench warfare broke out. Now, sending waves after waves after waves of troops to perform the 'Spandau Ballet' I don't understand. Arrogant, feckless pricks is the only answer I can come up with.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-20739510993512224182017-10-21T09:25:42.962-07:002017-10-21T09:25:42.962-07:00If you look up the different names for the game, S...If you look up the different names for the game, Skip's variant was popular in Northern California.<br /><br />Makes sense.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-59137814744512612072017-10-21T08:56:42.372-07:002017-10-21T08:56:42.372-07:00I played it both ways, but I think Skip's way ...I played it both ways, but I think Skip's way was when I was in that state out west where he lives. I don't remember it that way in Texas.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-69738988313783021792017-10-21T08:42:48.103-07:002017-10-21T08:42:48.103-07:00No kidding?
That's pretty interesting and yes...No kidding?<br /><br />That's pretty interesting and yes, somewhat ironic.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-64737798027950370062017-10-21T08:42:14.655-07:002017-10-21T08:42:14.655-07:00It sort of worked until the Civil War. The rifled ...It sort of worked until the Civil War. The rifled musket played havoc with gun crews and the only time cavalry could charge was when they were only faced with cavalry.<br /><br />The rifle made a huge difference, Napoleonic formations (necessary for command and control) and modern weapons. Not a good mix for the gravel agitators.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-60981285204594237102017-10-21T08:40:17.128-07:002017-10-21T08:40:17.128-07:00Thanks Juvat.Thanks Juvat.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-79760840473822111792017-10-21T08:39:53.080-07:002017-10-21T08:39:53.080-07:00Thanks Nylon12. I'm glad you liked the film, a...Thanks Nylon12. I'm glad you liked the film, agree on Keitel's character.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-67981541021278475662017-10-21T08:27:56.484-07:002017-10-21T08:27:56.484-07:00I remember playing [sic] rock, paper, scissors, bu...I remember playing [sic] rock, paper, scissors, but calling out “Rho, Sham, Bow!” (Rochambeau).<br />Ironic, neh?(not necessarily your) Uncle Skiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02705753220273516841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17885627452782485302017-10-21T07:53:46.174-07:002017-10-21T07:53:46.174-07:00Workable arrangement until the advent of machine g...Workable arrangement until the advent of machine guns.Well Seasoned Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16670165728759453075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-45302788678225387082017-10-21T06:54:52.841-07:002017-10-21T06:54:52.841-07:00Excellent analysis, my Friend. Very well done.Excellent analysis, my Friend. Very well done.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.com