tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post3762587558431964980..comments2024-03-28T12:07:47.180-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Don't Panic...OldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-46968663458649993952019-05-17T09:28:52.157-07:002019-05-17T09:28:52.157-07:00I am in awe of your Dad...I am in awe of your Dad...OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-73935426250672760472019-05-17T09:11:41.204-07:002019-05-17T09:11:41.204-07:00Maybe... He was one of the designated distant lan...Maybe... He was one of the designated distant landing field animal control officer in F-84 school (yes, he got paid to sit in a jeep and shoot deer and antelope and whatever else got near the touch-and-go airfield. Said shootings would find their way into the food at the base.)Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39793863711712241182019-05-17T08:53:42.544-07:002019-05-17T08:53:42.544-07:00It's important to have confidence in the equip...It's important to have confidence in the equipment.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-79856124179792703072019-05-17T08:23:08.920-07:002019-05-17T08:23:08.920-07:00Actually, I think we WERE very safe. That confiden...Actually, I think we WERE very safe. That confidence in the seat gave us liberty to perform much more aggressively in many areas of the game. We got to ride the simulator thing, that was fun. Looking back, there were a lot of fun things we got to do in preparation for the BIG FUN - spark, burn, boom and go!Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-89583025962668956052019-05-17T05:05:22.647-07:002019-05-17T05:05:22.647-07:00So, he was there for the hunting?So, he was there for the hunting?OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-78410709763337745262019-05-16T21:33:14.568-07:002019-05-16T21:33:14.568-07:00I don't know if he was embellishing or fabrica...I don't know if he was embellishing or fabricating, but he did say, after he got back from the course and they questioned him, that he'd do it again.<br /><br />So, seeee? Being a smart-arse is inherited!Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-1227259747072619012019-05-16T19:58:15.434-07:002019-05-16T19:58:15.434-07:00Dad said the course was a bit of a ball-buster but...Dad said the course was a bit of a ball-buster but got cleaned up in following years. Though the running around in the boonies portion pretty much matched what Dad did when he was a kid. "Go into BFE, make a fort/nest/hovel/cabin/hidey-hole and stay there for a few days living off the land." Uh, that WAS his childhood!<br /><br />I can see it being a bit of a murderous course if LeMay was involved. Knowing how he felt about aviators that survived Japanese camps, I can see him personally yelling at any weak-at-the-knees fliers.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42169817965024627062019-05-16T19:35:32.465-07:002019-05-16T19:35:32.465-07:00"...Air Force, 1952 or 53?" That would ..."...Air Force, 1952 or 53?" That would be right around the time Gen. LeMay had the school started, iffn I recall correctly. Not that I was involved with the school at that time, but we were given the ( official ) history of the school when we were training to become instructors.<br /><br />PaulPaul L. Quandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734944159912671900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-68348358199742428192019-05-16T18:37:41.969-07:002019-05-16T18:37:41.969-07:00Well, M-B actually celebrates the number of lives ...Well, M-B actually celebrates the number of lives (mostly) saved. So they have that going for them.<br /><br />I always wondered how the B-70 ejection capsule would have worked out. Seat, survival shelter, boat, all in one, supposedly.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-6220041898450972102019-05-16T18:36:07.593-07:002019-05-16T18:36:07.593-07:00Well, remember that 'Cajun' thing? He and...Well, remember that 'Cajun' thing? He and his friends actually had, growing up, kind of a competition as to who could put the strangest thing into gumbo. So, snakes, frogs, lizards, pretty much anything that tasted 'like chicken' or various seafoody things.<br /><br />Dad really loved the 'C' rat pork and beans. Apparently others in the school hated them, and traded P&B for his comfort items and smokes. Silly people.... Never give food away.<br /><br />As to rat, it's... okay. Some lizards are more tasty than others. Iguana actually tastes good, and grills up real nice with some lime. Snakes are like lizards, some taste better than others.<br /><br />I just can't imagine what will happen to the snowflake generation if they have to end up eating Hoover Chickens or some other weird animal. Like nutria, or silver carp. Funny, they'll eat talapia (which is what fish farmers use to clean the water of all the other fishes' poop... ew...)Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-43254907107926981562019-05-16T17:45:10.035-07:002019-05-16T17:45:10.035-07:00Oh, one last thing. The instructors who survived s...Oh, one last thing. The instructors who survived shoot downs in the ETO and the Pacific knew what the students needed to stay alive. Congresscritters wouldn't, another thing they know little or nothing about. Well, some might, the veterans among them, their number is too small.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-32124129193838142472019-05-16T17:42:34.888-07:002019-05-16T17:42:34.888-07:00Thanks Dave.
Yeah, the marketing department, I...Thanks Dave.<br /><br />Yeah, the marketing department, I'd trust them. OTOH, it's not like you get to pick your ejection seat, someone else does. Someone who probably has zero chance of ever having to ride one.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-27578366243618963592019-05-16T17:41:01.481-07:002019-05-16T17:41:01.481-07:00Suz - Pretty much spot on. If we're hungry eno...Suz - Pretty much spot on. If we're hungry enough we'll eat whatever is available in order to survive.<br /><br />I hope to never be in such a spot.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-82007945959020539932019-05-16T17:39:59.887-07:002019-05-16T17:39:59.887-07:00Beans - If survival school isn't tough, I gues...Beans - If survival school isn't tough, I guess it wouldn't be worth that much.<br /><br />Those who have been in the last decade or so? I know a few, I won't ask, I doubt they'd answer.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-20285870284016320662019-05-16T17:37:15.705-07:002019-05-16T17:37:15.705-07:00Dang.Dang.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-15029984007769259152019-05-16T17:15:22.211-07:002019-05-16T17:15:22.211-07:00Well Beans, most of the things on that food list s...Well Beans, most of the things on that food list sound ok, and many of them are things we all eat on a regular basis. Chickens are birds, and javelina is just "natural" pork, snakes are supposed to taste like chicken, while I wouldn't be keen to eat canine, horse, donkey or camel that is more out of sentiment, and the horse/donkey/camel might carry me for a while instead of me having to walk quite so far. If I was truly hungry, not a problem. And plants are just salads and veggies, and seasonings. Will admit not raising my hand for bugs, and lizards, and rats...then I am not so sure. But I suppose you can hide just about anything in a soup or a stew. Turtle soup!! Yum!!Suzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07117433684554337583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-1756451595980193882019-05-16T16:49:01.408-07:002019-05-16T16:49:01.408-07:00You're not striking out!
One of the things we ...You're not striking out!<br />One of the things we had to get used to in the Phantom was the face curtain and/or "between the knees" handle. We were all used to the side of the seat handles which supposedly got rid of the canopy, then you pull and, as he said in the old movie, "out you go!" They had developed the calf restraining do-hickies (sorry for the tech-oriented aviation term) by the time we got to ride the Martin-Baker Seat. We felt incredibly safe, zero-zero, you know, having received the briefing from the marketing department.Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-63430487360874037662019-05-16T16:36:31.001-07:002019-05-16T16:36:31.001-07:00It happened to my soon-to-be bro-in-law in '65...It happened to my soon-to-be bro-in-law in '65. On the range at Bergstrom. Not good. Long story.Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40794741458274033192019-05-16T15:41:21.948-07:002019-05-16T15:41:21.948-07:00And he did sneer at the later Survival School as a...And he did sneer at the later Survival School as apparently some congresscritters got complained to about how hard his late Korean War era school was and the Air Force toned it down or something. His instructors included survivors of the Pacific and European theaters, men who escaped and evaded both the Japs and the Nazis, so emphasis was on practical knowledge, sometimes gained firsthand.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-57009713875396074192019-05-16T15:37:43.587-07:002019-05-16T15:37:43.587-07:00Um.. Air Force, 1952 or 53? Somewhere in semi-des...Um.. Air Force, 1952 or 53? Somewhere in semi-desert government land somewhere out southwest? Dunno. My mother keeps meaning to send me his DD214 so I can bug the Air Force for his records, at least what they'll tell me. I think part of it was the cadets/pilot trainees did some swapping of food stuff and dad traded for things others didn't like. He did say that he was dropped off in what was supposed to be semi-barren land and it wasn't. I got the impression that after he left his spot, barren was a good description.<br /><br />I never saw my dad turn down any type of food, so I wouldn't put it past him to eat snakes, birds, bird eggs, lizards, rabbits, rats, bugs, plants, javelina, canine, horse, donkey, camel, whatever was available. He did grow up in SW Louisiana and supplemented the table with what he caught, shot, trapped, procured, sniped, maybe even poached. Late depression and WWII years, so, well, no snapping turtle was safe.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-62476782349810734442019-05-16T14:56:07.556-07:002019-05-16T14:56:07.556-07:00Yes, inquiring minds (read nosy for inquiring) wan...Yes, inquiring minds (read nosy for inquiring) want to know.<br /><br />;)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-29648934394807126242019-05-16T13:22:17.049-07:002019-05-16T13:22:17.049-07:00BeansMay 16, 2019 at 11:52 AM
"PLQ - my dad ...<br /><br /><br />BeansMay 16, 2019 at 11:52 AM<br /><br />"PLQ - my dad and his country-raised fellow aviation cadets all did much better in Survival School than did the city-raised folk. Dad loved telling how he actually came back from the 'leave you in the wilderness' portion of SS 5lbs heavier. Trapping and eating just about every moving thing did well for him."<br /><br />When and where did your Dad go through Survival School?<br /><br />Paul<br />Paul L. Quandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734944159912671900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39584951818274473712019-05-16T12:30:54.686-07:002019-05-16T12:30:54.686-07:00Beans the second - I would reckon that city folk w...Beans the second - I would reckon that city folk wouldn't do well in a wilderness survival scenario. But wow, 5 lbs heavier? That's impressive!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17466619747224675782019-05-16T12:29:41.674-07:002019-05-16T12:29:41.674-07:00Beans the first - I don't feel cruddy, just ti...Beans the first - I don't feel cruddy, just tired. It's the lack of a full, leave me alone weekend for over a month.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-49868185567566924702019-05-16T12:28:18.988-07:002019-05-16T12:28:18.988-07:00Hahaha!Hahaha!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.com