tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post4111451189887517843..comments2024-03-28T09:03:52.495-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Safety Stand-DownOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17540788216817278122019-02-24T16:18:23.429-08:002019-02-24T16:18:23.429-08:00Hahaha!Hahaha!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-15422152506352178322019-02-24T15:59:22.107-08:002019-02-24T15:59:22.107-08:00My wife wants to know why I can't keep the kit...My wife wants to know why I can't keep the kitchen knives as sharp as I keep my paper. I want to know why she doesn't dull my paper as fast she dulls the knives. We're at an impasse here.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-38242152141521730822019-02-24T10:04:11.899-08:002019-02-24T10:04:11.899-08:00Well, we're here for you man...
Ouch, and ouc...Well, we're here for you man...<br /><br />Ouch, and ouch again!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-5110365184947424942019-02-24T09:01:15.057-08:002019-02-24T09:01:15.057-08:00Sure wish I'd heard of this safety stand-down ...Sure wish I'd heard of this safety stand-down earlier. I suffered the Mother of all Paper Cuts yesterday morning -- 24 mm long right along the side of my left thumb. The whining and cursing has been great as it gets banged on everything. :(Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-58366693272197209582019-02-23T19:12:05.639-08:002019-02-23T19:12:05.639-08:00Spalling, the thing Hollywood always seems to igno...Spalling, the thing Hollywood always seems to ignore.<br /><br />Not your friend.<br /><br />Aluminum (I noted the Brit spelling) magnesium alloy? Those Brits have a lot of flare...OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-77778522302237873632019-02-23T19:10:12.224-08:002019-02-23T19:10:12.224-08:00Yeah, one hopes.Yeah, one hopes.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-77487355097424703902019-02-23T19:09:08.454-08:002019-02-23T19:09:08.454-08:00That's a bad ass looking gun!That's a bad ass looking gun!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-56592376837799710542019-02-23T19:06:30.617-08:002019-02-23T19:06:30.617-08:00More memories. Another weapon I was trained on in ...More memories. Another weapon I was trained on in small arms repair school was the M139 20mm cannon on this M114A2--<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M114_armored_fighting_vehicle#/media/File:M114A2_Command_and_Reconnaissance_Carrier.jpg<br /><br />Still have my notes. The fire control has 5 modes:<br /><br />1. Single shot<br />2. Five round burst @ 200 rpm<br />3. Five round burst @ full cycle (1000 rpm)<br />4. Continuous fire @ 200 rpm<br />5. Continuous fire @ full cycle (1000 rpm)RHT447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-22098071077469594102019-02-23T18:59:09.612-08:002019-02-23T18:59:09.612-08:00And one hopes, much like the Apollo 1 catastrophe,...And one hopes, much like the Apollo 1 catastrophe, that people learned from the death and improved procedures and equipment.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39657580769020292202019-02-23T18:58:16.290-08:002019-02-23T18:58:16.290-08:00Sarge - you are referring to the HMS Sheffield, wh...Sarge - you are referring to the HMS Sheffield, which was made of an aluminium-magnesium alloy that was found, after the disaster, to be highly combustable. Oops. The crew was singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" as they abandoned ship.<br /><br />Paul LQ - supposedly the armor was supposed to stop medium machine gun fire and rifle fire, so supposed to stop the 7.62x54R round. It was hoped to stop the 12.7mm... Applique armor during Vietnam included steel plates, sandbags and such and made them actually able to stop 12.7mm and 14.5mm and making them more resistant to RPGs.<br /><br />I have seen someone firing at a dead M113, used for targets, with a .30-06 firing non-AP ammo and the armor stopped it. Dented the snot out of it but stopped it. Now, put 10 rounds in a small circle and you'd have definite penetration. Against the 7.62x39 of the AK/SKS? No penetration at all. Spalling? Maybe, but proof against AK fire at least.<br /><br />Ma Deuce was based on an anti-tank round, and was designated as a light-skinned target killer. Come to think of it, it still is designated as a light-skinned target killer....Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-81703061490128843712019-02-23T17:52:50.249-08:002019-02-23T17:52:50.249-08:00Yup.Yup.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-22840595487250180362019-02-23T17:36:16.575-08:002019-02-23T17:36:16.575-08:00HMS- good point. While I was the Safety DH at th...HMS- good point. While I was the Safety DH at the time (Ops was later), everybody is responsible for safety. Maybe that's why we never had any significant safety issues.Tunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04930237104692982421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-47163720319467931712019-02-23T14:28:45.053-08:002019-02-23T14:28:45.053-08:00I too would be interested in that reference.
Ma D...I too would be interested in that reference.<br /><br />Ma Deuce will go through a lot of stuff!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-49428108291931792772019-02-23T14:09:17.243-08:002019-02-23T14:09:17.243-08:00Andrew: ...Andrew: "The walls were thick enough to stop heavy machine gun fire..." Have you ever actually been inside an M-113? I used to own a M-577 ( which is an M-113 with the top cut off and another 18" of side and the top welded onto it ) ( yes, the Army actually owned it, but as I had signed for it, I owned it until I returned it ). The idea that the " armor " would stop a heavy machine gun round is, to me, ludicrous. Ok, maybe at 2000 yards range. As you usually know about that about which you write, your statement surprised me. Perhaps you can provide a link to some information which gives credence to you assertion.<br /><br />Paul Paul L. Quandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734944159912671900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-64072730994157745792019-02-23T11:22:19.589-08:002019-02-23T11:22:19.589-08:00Paweł - Love that Swedish tank. We called it the S...Paweł - Love that Swedish tank. We called it the S-Tank back in the day, I even had a model of it. Well-designed for Swedish needs.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-69607580780984710372019-02-23T11:20:51.428-08:002019-02-23T11:20:51.428-08:00Beans - As I recall from the Falklands, there was ...Beans - As I recall from the Falklands, there was a British ship (with a lot of aluminum in the superstructure) hit by an Exocet which essentially burned down to the waterline. I seem to recall (from somewhere) that aluminum burns much more readily than steel. Aluminum "armor" makes me nervous. Seems that the Abrams approach to armor makes more sense (layers, ceramics, steel, fabric, what-have-you).<br /><br />One problem with the M-113 was its flat sides and its rather high profile. A nice flat face for a penetrator to work on. The Bradley is a far better vehicle.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-6597853584665136212019-02-23T10:59:31.545-08:002019-02-23T10:59:31.545-08:00I hate those types of incidents, usually it's ...I hate those types of incidents, usually it's a chain of errors, any one of which, if caught in time, could have prevented the loss of life.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-44239090847708228982019-02-23T10:49:18.690-08:002019-02-23T10:49:18.690-08:00Battleship Cove is right there! With a Battleship!...Battleship Cove is right there! With a Battleship! and a FRAM destroyer and a submarine last time I looked. It was interesting to see the damage wreaked on a BB by the French BB Jean Bart when the frogs shot at us during WWII. They really are the dismalist creatures ever and that's before they were overrun by islam.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-65152008707219823522019-02-23T10:37:24.715-08:002019-02-23T10:37:24.715-08:00Back when the old man was doing the Lance Missile ...Back when the old man was doing the Lance Missile project at Redstone he had a peer who was electrocuted in a Sheridan. His family lived down the street from us. I hated the accidental loss of life. Every single one was a failure by somebody and usually, not the ones that got killed.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-26679580345522933692019-02-23T09:30:41.817-08:002019-02-23T09:30:41.817-08:00The aiming system was actually the hydraulics for ...The aiming system was actually the hydraulics for the tracks. Gun was fixed in place. To aim, the gunner took over control of the tank and actually moved the whole thing. Definitely designed for sniping while not moving. And as Pawel said, purely defensive.<br /><br />The requirements for a MBT gun on a light, air-deployable, swimmable, fast, Nuke and Biologically contained, super armor that can carry stuff long range and be cheap at twice the price are the parameters that have defeated every attempt to get a new tank or personnel carrier/infantry fighting vehicle since the Bradley. <br /><br />The 8 wheeled Strykers were supposed to be interim vehicles to hold us over till we got our stuff together and made the next new hotness. Now going on their 17th year of interim status...<br />Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-87007536943570406602019-02-23T08:36:42.380-08:002019-02-23T08:36:42.380-08:00Exactly. Stay tuned!Exactly. Stay tuned!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-19297725701054241002019-02-23T00:43:04.116-08:002019-02-23T00:43:04.116-08:00Sherridan was effort to cram MBT firepower on ligh...Sherridan was effort to cram MBT firepower on light air-deployed tankthat was supposed to alsow be able to swim...<br />Nattlecruisers of Jutland, anyone?<br />Anyway, if you are looking for interesting vehicle, swedish STRV-103 made a very specialised, yet succesful attempt for purely defensive vehicle suited for Swedish landscape.<br />It used Stug-like hull monted cannon, L7 being proven T-55 killer. It could swim after preparation, perfect for Swedish 1000 lakes landscape. It could drive backwards as fast as forwards, enabling rapid retreat from ambush site to next one. It had very low silhouette, helping with camouflaging the mabush in the woodlands, and finally it had ultra-sloped armor that made for very effective defence despite relatively thin nminal value.Paweł Kasperekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17636249014878876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-78452513466581827782019-02-23T00:35:14.389-08:002019-02-23T00:35:14.389-08:00Panzer III and Panzer IV were quite reliable, even...Panzer III and Panzer IV were quite reliable, even in extremes of Russia and Africa.<br />Panther was overengineered, and took some time to have bugs ironed out, but when it finally did it was terrifyingly effective precursor to MBT<br />Tigers were enormously costly and complicated, but the terror they created was worth it. Probably more were lost due to fuel out and breakdowns than to combat... Paweł Kasperekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17636249014878876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-1251840271217721112019-02-23T00:31:34.152-08:002019-02-23T00:31:34.152-08:00Stuka's were rather sort of airborne artillery...Stuka's were rather sort of airborne artillery... delivering precise fires of high intensity (250kg bomb was almost equivalent to 12 inch naval shell)<br />when it comes to flying tanks, there was only one real in ww2<br />Soviet Il-2 Shturmovik, which basically armored up anything from propeller to end of crew cockpit to be invulnerable to up to 50,cal bullets...Paweł Kasperekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17636249014878876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42780384512236383142019-02-22T23:15:00.376-08:002019-02-22T23:15:00.376-08:00Germany had a lot of production/quality issues lat...Germany had a lot of production/quality issues late war from their labor camps. Note to self: When becoming dictator don't put forced labor into your critical industries.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.com