tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post4562976788747170715..comments2024-03-28T09:20:10.213-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: The Napoleonic Wars, A Pictorial PostOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-68389806960599538422018-05-04T08:24:01.496-07:002018-05-04T08:24:01.496-07:00Yes it does. A lot of emotion in that painting.
T...Yes it does. A lot of emotion in that painting.<br /><br />Thanks Stewart.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-24646140009008100752018-05-04T07:10:12.508-07:002018-05-04T07:10:12.508-07:00Good stuff. I think it portrays the miserable side...Good stuff. I think it portrays the miserable side of being on the wrong side of a fight superbly. Keep up the fine work Sarge.Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06337970057623694698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-58382164108020164432018-05-04T05:33:12.012-07:002018-05-04T05:33:12.012-07:00Not missing it Stewart, just didn't include it...Not missing it Stewart, just didn't include it. I've had these paintings in a folder for a few years now, just decided to share them recently.<br /><br />I am familiar with the painting you speak of. I actually served briefly with a kid who was a great-grand nephew of the marshal. Same last name, even looked a little like <em>Le Rougeaud</em>.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-6395127954624724522018-05-03T23:48:32.672-07:002018-05-03T23:48:32.672-07:00Hi AFSarge, you are missing The execution of Marsh...Hi AFSarge, you are missing The execution of Marshall Ney by Gerome. You might like to add it in. It shows another side of the Napoleonics. I stayed in his old and now somewhat decrepit chateau last year, south of Chartres.Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06337970057623694698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-34827704651240566032018-05-01T04:54:17.011-07:002018-05-01T04:54:17.011-07:00That's what threw me too, the church.That's what threw me too, the church.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-75626249369591996192018-04-30T23:03:16.345-07:002018-04-30T23:03:16.345-07:00That's funny, because Eylau was my first thoug...That's funny, because Eylau was my first thought, but I'd never seen the church depicted from that angle. I did the "Search Google for Image" in Chrome and I found a lot sites that think it was 1866, which is laughable since that wasn't a winter campaign (aside from the uniforms). Those miter caps had me thinking it might be earlier than Napoleonic. Thanks bear!Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40478098908691794272018-04-30T11:47:27.172-07:002018-04-30T11:47:27.172-07:00Has to be! Thanks a bear!
(And yes Pavlovsk Grena...Has to be! Thanks a bear!<br /><br />(And yes Pavlovsk Grenadiers and their old fashioned headgear. They kept those until the end of the period. The Tsar mandated that they were to keep the old fashioned headgear to honor their performance at Friedland.)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-85114822110183706692018-04-30T10:18:47.192-07:002018-04-30T10:18:47.192-07:00Battle of Eylau, at least if the innernet is to be...Battle of Eylau, at least if the innernet is to be believed. The second day, just prior to Murat's cavalry charge, Russian grenadiers fighting the French center. I think the big church is supposed to be a clue, based on some of the other paintings of the battle.<br /><br />(The Pavlovsk Grenadiers got to keep their miter caps longer, apparently.)a bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871505359143633270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42301333678798567132018-04-30T05:06:32.003-07:002018-04-30T05:06:32.003-07:00Heh, Mr. Wizard, good callsign.Heh, Mr. Wizard, good callsign.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-57977778740921256972018-04-30T05:04:58.373-07:002018-04-30T05:04:58.373-07:00It's an incident on the retreat from Russia I ...It's an incident on the retreat from Russia I believe. But it's definitely Napoleonic, the French standard on the right of the painting gives it away. (Yes, there was a Russian grenadier outfit that wore the old style grenadier caps, can't remember off hand which one and I am unable to look that up at the moment.)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39621268678295540192018-04-30T05:01:51.952-07:002018-04-30T05:01:51.952-07:00Good stuff!Good stuff!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-23708245333603306072018-04-30T04:58:30.413-07:002018-04-30T04:58:30.413-07:00Freudian slip? But yeah, you need discipline, but ...Freudian slip? But yeah, you need discipline, but it can go too far. Especially back in the day.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-64228168413306962262018-04-30T04:56:53.870-07:002018-04-30T04:56:53.870-07:00Got to have bards. (Why, why do we need bards?!?! ...Got to have bards. (Why, why do we need bards?!?! Ah, to sing the praises of the generals.)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-41346053208532701642018-04-30T04:55:23.865-07:002018-04-30T04:55:23.865-07:00And it was good.And it was good.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-85968248609434961132018-04-30T04:54:57.261-07:002018-04-30T04:54:57.261-07:00Well there is that!Well there is that!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-69776730800914460842018-04-29T23:32:52.636-07:002018-04-29T23:32:52.636-07:00War horses were taught to bite not-metal parts.
...War horses were taught to bite not-metal parts. <br /><br />I've seen a quarter horse pick up a stable boy by the shoulder, playfully. The stable boy didn't think it was so playful. Fortunately only bruising of body and pride occurred.<br /><br />Another uncounted part of the casualty count. How may decided not to live? Even with the strong anti-suicide policies of Christianity, how many drank themselves to death, or didn't take care of themselves, or just got to the point where they lost the will to live? And how many died because their family members warehoused them in some sort of Invalid Hospital?<br /><br />Sometimes it seems that the modern problems we have with our treatment of vets isn't so modern after all.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-89676146456388446742018-04-29T23:13:42.793-07:002018-04-29T23:13:42.793-07:00I've seen that movie!I've seen that movie!SCOTTtheBADGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859188068159799373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42525776720386737282018-04-29T23:13:03.700-07:002018-04-29T23:13:03.700-07:00They all look alike on a 4 inch Kindle screen!They all look alike on a 4 inch Kindle screen!SCOTTtheBADGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859188068159799373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-5862283537074362932018-04-29T22:53:16.606-07:002018-04-29T22:53:16.606-07:00Question: "What does Painting #4 depict?"...Question: "What does Painting #4 depict?" My first thought was the Battle of Eylau, but that doesn't look quite right. Google is no help whatsoever as every reference seems to be to the Austro-Prussian War of 1866, which this is certainly not. I don't think it's Austro-Prussian at all, but it's certainly no later than Napoleonic. Perhaps War of the Austrian Succession?Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-2312246246172345032018-04-29T22:48:22.440-07:002018-04-29T22:48:22.440-07:00One small addition: a horse can bite most of a man...One small addition: a horse <i>can</i> bite most of a man's face off. And, yes, it has happened. Personally, even if that was survivable back then, unless I had the finest wife in the world (which I do, actually), I would probably suicide. Maiming is more to be feared than simple death, and I am in agreement with that sentiment. Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-61999704815394054742018-04-29T22:42:29.448-07:002018-04-29T22:42:29.448-07:00Uhh, I don't entirely disagree, I mean,Uhh, I don't entirely <i>disagree</i>, I mean,<br />Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-18483599564133675472018-04-29T22:41:21.614-07:002018-04-29T22:41:21.614-07:00The caisson rolling over them prepares them for th...The caisson rolling over them prepares them for the greater weight of the cannon to follow? Or else the wheels sink in to sagging chests and the damned gun gets stuck and they die for no good purpose, not even the lives of their brethren. Desperate times, indeed. Though life was worth less then than it is now -- nearly all of those men would've lost siblings to disease, and Death was a familiar.<br /><br />For leadership? It was definitely some leadership, but it was backed by an iron discipline unknown today. If they didn't fear their officers more than they feared the enemy, the leadership would've reckoned they were doing their job wrong. I don't entirely agree. A certain amount of discipline is needed, but hopefully not that of Mao or Stalin. Else, I would advocate immediate revolt.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-27683145702916396492018-04-29T18:50:32.054-07:002018-04-29T18:50:32.054-07:00I have a wealth of minute information that when co...I have a wealth of minute information that when combined together makes way too much sense, or not, as the case may be. A little here, a little there, smidge of this, smattering of that, and, poof, Insta-Pundit. Or as Mrs. Andrew likes to say, "Mr. Wizard," usually in a snide and condescending tone as I over-pontificate about something that needed no pontificating about. (One of the reasons I truly love Mrs. Andrew is her mind works somewhat the same way, with a font of widespread knowledge that is splendid to behold.)Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-14994319083447710082018-04-29T18:45:35.338-07:002018-04-29T18:45:35.338-07:00Don't forget to add to the wonderful list of c...Don't forget to add to the wonderful list of camp followers the following: pawn shops, casinos, patent medicine men, entertainers (non-horizontal hulu type entertainers - carnival workers, bards (oh, no, BARDS!!!!) and everything else you would find in a small town, all totally mobile.<br /><br />A good idea of what went into an army's logistic train back when would be to look at... Circus Trains. All the roustabouts, performers, permanent workers, support staff, etc. Whole families working as a complex machine, and picking up temp workers wherever they went. Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-47467840661813758682018-04-29T18:39:53.517-07:002018-04-29T18:39:53.517-07:00And the response from the Anglo-Irish knight was, ...And the response from the Anglo-Irish knight was, "That's why you frogs go through so many peasants, boyo."Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.com