tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post8910763597534175537..comments2024-03-28T06:39:55.821-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Law EnforcementOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-22983121486038685682014-12-19T18:14:22.453-08:002014-12-19T18:14:22.453-08:00Welcome aboard, any friend of his is a friend of m...Welcome aboard, any friend of his is a friend of mine.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-26839786785090907772014-12-19T13:02:42.784-08:002014-12-19T13:02:42.784-08:00Sent here by Well Seasoned Fool. Great post and li...Sent here by Well Seasoned Fool. Great post and links! I'm a fan.Momma Fargohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625178164224513103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17630642102591232842014-12-15T07:00:56.340-08:002014-12-15T07:00:56.340-08:00See Juvat's latest for another SP clown story....See Juvat's latest for another SP clown story.<br /><br />The AF Security Police tended to be a-holes.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39884645118293137192014-12-14T20:16:51.365-08:002014-12-14T20:16:51.365-08:00I remember visiting Selfridge ANGB back in 1982 an...I remember visiting Selfridge ANGB back in 1982 and sitting at the picnic area out by the point where the canal entered Lake St Clair at about midnight when 3 air police with M16s leaped out of the woods and demanded to know if the baby carriage was mine. When I told them no, they went to the fifth degree and demanded ID. I said sure, it's right across the street. They accompanied me and my girl friend to my parents house on Strauble Circle and when they saw the sign on the yard decided they didn't need to trouble me for any ID after all. Who takes M16s to a baby carriage roust? :) It was our first time living in quarters on an Air Force Base.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-27719089093071868982014-12-12T18:31:20.165-08:002014-12-12T18:31:20.165-08:00Very, very few Air Force Security personnel ever i...Very, very few Air Force Security personnel ever impressed me. Many of them were puffed up little tyrants.<br /><br />In German, in the old days, the field police were referred to as <em>Kettenhunde</em>, chained dogs. For the gorgets they wore on duty and for their attitude.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-14854101390359125462014-12-12T15:51:09.790-08:002014-12-12T15:51:09.790-08:00I'll throw one more rock. The Air Force Securi...I'll throw one more rock. The Air Force Security personnel out of Warren AFB Cheyenne around the missile silos scattered along Northern Colorado and Southern Wyoming seem to act as though their authority extends to the public lands surrounding the installations. A lady friend and I out rock hounding had a very unpleasant encounter with a puffed up 1st Lt and his squad. We weren't impressed with his assumed authority, and explained, in some graphic detail, .......................nothing more to add.Well Seasoned Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16670165728759453075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-30509712932090319272014-12-12T09:09:57.116-08:002014-12-12T09:09:57.116-08:00Excellent!Excellent!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-44756792735818318812014-12-12T09:07:04.310-08:002014-12-12T09:07:04.310-08:00Well, that settles what Monday's post will be ...Well, that settles what Monday's post will be about.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-46741996646173465712014-12-12T07:07:27.136-08:002014-12-12T07:07:27.136-08:00Badge heavy described a number of Air Force Securi...Badge heavy described a number of Air Force Security Policemen of my acquaintance back in the day. I think Juvat may have mentioned the whole <em>"19 year old with a gun, a badge and a beanie"</em> syndrome.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-72618050998522216042014-12-12T07:05:41.039-08:002014-12-12T07:05:41.039-08:00Because I avoid spending too much time in big citi...Because I avoid spending too much time in big cities I haven't seen this kind of thing. Have just read about it.<br /><br />But yeah, not good when those things happen.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-61134137970777259882014-12-12T03:49:17.881-08:002014-12-12T03:49:17.881-08:00That says it all, however it seems to apply less a...That says it all, however it seems to apply less and less to the badge heavy ones today...Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-89993028800075409782014-12-11T20:52:41.043-08:002014-12-11T20:52:41.043-08:00I started losing respect for the police when asset...I started losing respect for the police when asset forfeiture started and they dive bombed anything that looked like it could be seized and forfeited. At least at the start there was semblance of law. For the last 20 years an awful lot of police departments leap on any excuse to take cash from drivers for no reason at all and never even bother to file charges and then refuse to ever hand any money back without being taken to court. There are thousands of such seizures every day in America. It's a lucrative form of highway robbery and it funds police departments with off-budget money to go out and buy new patrol cars and whatever else they want and that the municipal council or city executives didn't authorize them to buy or employ. I wouldn't say the trend is downward, I'd say it has fallen off a cliff.<br />Many outstanding police officers from San Diego and Alameda, Fresno and Contra Costal Counties worked for me. Back then, none of them would dream of acting like police do on our roads today. And what's with SWAT teams doing no-knock raids at 0400 on the wrong house and walking away after the expected catastrophes they leave in their wake?<br />I'm afraid American police are beginning to resemble their Mexican counterparts in way too many ways. When the town cops fail along the border the Federales have to come in, disarm the police and assume police responsibility to try to clean up the mess. We may reach that point soon. Sad to say.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-83215304140206584992014-12-11T17:33:20.098-08:002014-12-11T17:33:20.098-08:00I'll stick with an old school term, "Assh...I'll stick with an old school term, "Asshole." He's definitely a shining example of that species.<br /><br />(Besides which Juvat, just blame maintenance! Hahahahaha...)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-3651305146944036422014-12-11T16:38:50.923-08:002014-12-11T16:38:50.923-08:00I think that's a very appropriate definition. ...I think that's a very appropriate definition. I know most of the folks in the law enforcement building (houses city police, county sheriff and local state Highway Patrol) and I think that definition applies aptly to almost all of them. There is one, however...Allergies are bad here in the Hill Country and I keep a box of Kleenex on the dash of my truck just in case I get a case of the sneezes. I'm driving to the school where my office is and see a police car going the opposite way. I generally wave at them as they go by and so I do. I continue on my way and as I'm turning into the parking lot, I see him screaming through the school zone lights blazing. I know I wasn't speeding, so I continue in and park. He slams to a park behind me and comes rushing up to the window. Like someone has described, I've got my license and registration out and hands on the wheel, window down. I ask him what's the problem Officer? He says your inspection is out of date. One Week. Easily 50-75 cars delivering kids to the school. Definitely Police!juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-76393284226599152292014-12-11T16:34:20.745-08:002014-12-11T16:34:20.745-08:00Forgot to mention, I agreed with her.
Keepin'...Forgot to mention, I agreed with her.<br /><br />Keepin' it real.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-24874743956126697052014-12-11T16:33:46.569-08:002014-12-11T16:33:46.569-08:00That lady pulls no punches!That lady pulls no punches!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39372448193062675292014-12-11T16:33:12.902-08:002014-12-11T16:33:12.902-08:00Good video. Which Pacino movie was that? My brain ...Good video. Which Pacino movie was that? My brain is slow tonight. (Sure, like tonight is different. Heh.)<br /><br />Some of the footage was sobering to say the least.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-65502039124015293042014-12-11T16:31:50.803-08:002014-12-11T16:31:50.803-08:00Okay, kind of a personal way of looking at it.
Ba...Okay, kind of a personal way of looking at it.<br /><br /><em>Badge Heavy</em> - seen a few of those, not good, thankfully rare in my opinion. YMMV.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-58605904830983952372014-12-11T16:29:22.595-08:002014-12-11T16:29:22.595-08:00Sorry to be obtuse. My definition is a Peace Offic...Sorry to be obtuse. My definition is a Peace Officer keeps the peace and protects the populace from criminals. POLICE like to throw their weight around, it is all about them. Badge heavy, as it is known in LEO circles.<br /><br />My late brother in law was a County Deputy. When he had arrest warrants for non-violent offences, like failure to appear, he would make contact and encourage people to drive themselves to jail. He would ask questions like, "Do you have someone to watch your kids"? He once had twenty-three out of twenty-four turn themselves in during a three day period. Make no mistake, when nothing but force would work, he didn't hesitate. He was my personal definition of a Peace Officer.Well Seasoned Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16670165728759453075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-23368354187654442132014-12-11T14:59:58.442-08:002014-12-11T14:59:58.442-08:00BTW big thanks for the link. Great reading there I...BTW big thanks for the link. Great reading there I'm gonna have to make time for.PrairieAdventurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466447251827774900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-75155524052989435992014-12-11T14:55:14.464-08:002014-12-11T14:55:14.464-08:00Wikipedia (Peace Officer article) lists statutory ...Wikipedia (<em>Peace Officer</em> article) lists statutory distinctions for peace officers for California, Texas and New York. In some jurisdictions "peace officer" coincides with "law enforcement officer."<br /><br />As usual, once you let politicians define things it quickly gets out of hand. I'll stick with the generic "police officer" for the most part. Though LEO works for me as well. (Too many episodes of <em>Law and Order</em> and <em>NCIS</em> I suppose...)OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-36411276437618158262014-12-11T14:50:08.635-08:002014-12-11T14:50:08.635-08:00He usually does.He usually does.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-28089175252335420292014-12-11T13:11:50.722-08:002014-12-11T13:11:50.722-08:00Not sure what the distinction is, but I believe in...Not sure what the distinction is, but I believe in Texas it means they are limited in jurisdiction only by the state border. You can get arrested by a police officer from my town while he's visiting Dallas.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-49839865132874387932014-12-11T12:45:57.229-08:002014-12-11T12:45:57.229-08:00Joe said it well.Joe said it well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17329913230746030662014-12-11T11:49:50.999-08:002014-12-11T11:49:50.999-08:00I'm not sure what the distinction is between t...I'm not sure what the distinction is between the two. Legally I see references to "peace officer" in New York, Texas and California.<br /><br />When did "police" become an epithet? Perhaps only within the LEO community is there a distinction? No such distinctions I am aware of here in the east, at least not viewed from a non-cop perspective. I'll have to ask my State Trooper buddy.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.com