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Monday, February 16, 2026

Free Ride!

 

OK, I don't think I've written about this subject before.  I don't know if what I'm going to talk about is still being done. I don't think it is, but it had a lot of good results in it's day.

The program was called "Incentive Rides".  Members of the non-rated Air Force (AKA not Pilots or WSO's*) who had impressed their chain of command could be selected for an Incentive Ride in one of the Base's jets.  

Yes, Beans, in a two seater.

They would get some basic training on emergency equipment just in case things went south.  Then they would be put on the flying schedule with a very experienced pilot.  They would be briefed on what was going to happen on the ride, and how to deal with it. 

Basically, this was pulling G's.  When a fighter turns, the pilot rolls the jet into an appropriate angle of bank.  Airliners do the same, but it's usually no more that 10 degrees of bank.  Fighters generally turn using 70+ degrees of bank.  

Oh, did I mention that when a fighter goes into a high bank angle,  the G-Load gets pretty high pretty fast. Which can include, if not prepared, the possibility of losing consciousness.  That could ruin the mission of the incentive ride because the rules state if someone loses consciousness, whether a person on an incentive ride, or a experienced fighter pilot/WSO, returning to base and landing is mandatory.  

Oh yeah, a visit to the Flight Surgeon is also required.

I always enjoyed giving them that ride so I went to great extremes to keep them happy (and avoid them having to visit the Flight Surgeon).  It was a reward for excellent effort on their part in getting their job done.  As such, in the brief, I would ask what kind of ride they would like.  The options were anything from a fantastic view of the local area in complete comfort (OK relative comfort, they WERE strapped in to an ejection seat) up to a ride that would make the best Disneyland E-ticket ride feel like a walk in the park.

I distinctly remember one of the incentive rides I gave.  I was scheduled to fly a ride with a Senior Airman (E-3) Crew Chief who'd had a very good record in keeping "his" F-4 mission ready.

In the briefing, I mentioned those briefed options   This Airman was from the deep south.  He answered.  "Sir, I don't wanna do any "Loop-de-Loops".  

OK.

We take off and are in the local practice area, driving around like a Cadillac.  I'm bored to tears.  I hear him ask "Sir, can we do a little faster turn?"

"Why, yes I can". I roll into bank and pull 2 G turn.  He says, "That was great, can you turn faster?"

 "Why, yes I can".  I roll into about 70 degrees of bank and pull on the stick to 6 G's (our g-loading limit).  I hear this loud yell over the intercom, so immediately roll wings level and ease off the stick to 1 G.

"Airman, are you ok?"

"Sir, that was Sheet Hot!"

I immediately went into demonstrating high speed, 2 or 3 G maneuvering.  After a bit, he asks "Sir, can we do a Loop Dee Loop?"

A loop is a 4 or more G maneuver.

I start the maneuver. 

At the top of the loop, I look in the mirror, he's got his head back looking at the ground above him.  He lets out a "Yeee HAWWWW!' over the intercom.

Brought a smile to my face, yes it did. 

Suffice it to say, whenever I got assigned his aircraft, I got treated  quite well. 

Based on that ride, I volunteered to fly any incentive ride I could.  The people that were going for the ride were the cream of the crop, so this was a reward for both of us.

 

 

This was another ride I knew about.  Somebody I'm deeply proud of, even now, got selected for an incentive ride in the F-4E.  The pilot is on the left,  next to him is the Wing Executive officer, next is his assistant executive officer, next is my Weapons System Office (WSO AKA Back Seater), Me, then my Flight Commander.

The young lady in the middle is also my wife.  One of the traditions of flying a fighter in the USAF is soaking one down on their final flight at that assignment.  When she landed the tradition was carried out.  

I asked the Pilot how she did.  No problems and a lot of fun.  Excellent!

 We received orders shortly thereafter. She and I were going to Holloman AFB to fly AT-38s.

That would be Captain/Mrs. Juvat in the back seat

 Fast forward 3 years. We're now at Holloman and about to leave,  Mrs J (AKA Capt/Mrs J) gets scheduled for another incentive ride.  There is one obstacle, she is pregnant with our son.  The flight surgeon said "No" to the flight. So, they do a high speed taxi ride.


 Shortly thereafter, it's my turn, the squadron members (who weren't flying, briefing or debriefing met me at the jet with fire extinguishers  to wet me down and present me with a cheap bottle of Champagne.  I had enjoyed the time, but had bigger, better, faster things ahead of me.

 


The guy to the left in the picture?  Yeah, I took some gun camera film of him


Yep, that's me after my last ride in the Eagle, also the last airplane I was at the controls of.  Mrs J (at the time Major J) only got a taxi ride in the Eagle because of a medical condition which is obvious in this picture.  MBD was born a month or so later.

 I really enjoyed taking folks on incentive rides, they were satisfying to both parties.

So..a little music about the subject, just because it seems right! 

 


 

*WSO -Weapons System Officer. Basically the non-pilot on board a fighter responsible for a lot of different jobs in some fighters (F-4 and F-111, back in the day, F-15E nowadays)

25 comments:

  1. Sir! May I have a G-Ticket ride with a view? Sir!

    Great story, thanks.

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    1. Joe,
      My pleasure, both to fly the ride (wish I could again) and to you.
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  2. Can't help it..........you get another Yeee HAWWWW! today juvat........:)

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  3. WSO: aka the GIB, the guy in back. Heh.... Great story. I met a F-102 crew chief at work. He told me about a rebuild he did while "in country" of a 102. About the only thing that didn't require a repair was a knob, and it had some stains on it. After the rebuild, he was ordered to ride along. I guess the incentive was, if you did a good job, you wouldn't mind a ride.... I'm guessing it was a TF model...

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    1. STxAR, I'd say your reasoning about the ride is spot on. The F-102 was single seat. The TF was side by side and ugly as sin. I believe it was retired way before the single seat version. Could be wrong.
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  4. That sounds like a great idea Juvat! What a privilege to be able to give others a taste of flying in that manner (instead of the "Please return your tray tables to their upright position and fasten your seatbelts" that most of us experience).

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    1. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. But then the folks that were selected were excellent at their job and in the Air Force. Would have been shocking otherwise.
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  5. I had two though my aircraft procession was the opposite of yours. The 1st was in an Eglin F-15B while at England AFB and the 2nd was in a F-4E at Kef. Both were a lot of fun and treasured memories!

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    1. The Eagle was my last flying assignment. I enjoyed every minute of it. Ok, maybe not so much when I showed up on somebody else's gun camera film! But life is good!
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  6. Something of a different incentive ride. PFC Orm grew up in a crop duster family. The Army drafted him and made him a Combat Engineer. We were working near Gelnhausen and he had a medical appointment in Frankfurt. A decision was made to fly him there in a Bird Dog. The Captain flying him was known to be a joker and liked to scare passengers. He would retard the mixture and then act like he was panicking. At maybe 200' AGL he would say, "I've done everything I know, can you help". Said Captain then got a ride to Frankfurt he would never forget.

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    1. Well done, or as the saying goes "Payback is a female dog"
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  7. from another pair of (near-sighted AF dentist) eyes:
    I'm sure the AF has a surfeit of pilots, but...
    if these people (non-rated Air Force) were that impressive, perhaps a base could maintain one (or two) SELs, like the old Cessna 150s, and have a rated give the n-rs some beginners lessons.
    Perhaps even begin at 11th grade in high school for those who appear interested and are medically qualified; never know what might happen.

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    1. I think all of the flying bases we were stationed at had a flying club and at least 1 aircraft. I was getting enough flight time that I had not much interest in joining it. I did know a few youngsters that joined it with the intent of joining the military as a pilot. Having pilot experience even in a Cessna 150 was a condition that made getting accepted into UPT more likely. I don't know who the instructors were so can't comment on that aspect.
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  8. Great experiences there for all concerned.
    For outstanding sailors. we would give them an all expense paid six month cruise, along with several hundred of their friends or associates. No wine tasting aboard ship, but most consumed prodigiously when ashore.

    I was hoping for at least a mention that your old "new" house is finally no more than a hole in the ground. Into which concrete and money is already being poured and on time and budget. And, that the GPs have been squirted or collared into silence, or that the sheriff has been enjoying some nice vino in appreciation of his understanding of your situation.
    JB

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    1. Love that second paragraph JB. My assignment in Hawaii meant that I would regularly fly to Japan with my team and sail with the Admiral and his staff. The objective was training for a joint task force for some mission or another. USS Blue Ridge was the ship we sailed on when we were training the Navy core staff. Ft Lewis Washington and the Marine Corps base in Okinawa were the other groups we trained. Wasn't flying but the challenge was good for all concerned. Met a lot of good people.

      As to the second paragraph. That'll be Next Monday's subject. Progress is being made, but you'll just have to wait for pictures.
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  9. As JB alluded to, no incentive rides in Navy jets, although reenlistments in a helo were common.

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    1. As a threat? or as a reward? Inquiring minds doncha know!
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  10. Fun times! As Tuna said, we did a lot of reenlistments on Navy rides!

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  11. I got my "Incentive Ride" for my roll on commo equipment setup at Just Cause. It was in an EF-111 Raven. I don't think we went over 3 G's in any of the turns. Pryor to the ride I did not know there was an EW version of a F-111. The F-111 is a side by side seat setup.

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  12. Great story, juvat! I've always had a soft spot for the T-38. She's one sleek little aircraft!

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    1. Yeah, she was easy to fly and a great trainer. She could bridge the gap between knowing how to fly and how to employ a fighter. I learned a-lot when I went through fighter lead in and even more when I went through IP certification. And even more when I was teaching new-ish pilots about being a better figjter pilot.

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    2. I worked at a start-up company that was founded by the guy who was the F-20 designer. We had several people who flew F-5/T-38 aircraft, and they all loved it. They all said "It rode really nice".....

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