tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post1018726505042914514..comments2024-03-28T22:08:48.577-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: The AttackOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-27090770244420982262020-10-22T19:04:42.994-07:002020-10-22T19:04:42.994-07:00Good point.Good point.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-69033075398156428182020-10-22T17:49:50.831-07:002020-10-22T17:49:50.831-07:00(Don McCollor)...Mud would be better, taking less ...(Don McCollor)...Mud would be better, taking less time to dry out. First thought of infection, but on reflection, that would be the least of the worries..Don McCollorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028324869570493102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-72573777441662159542020-10-21T04:34:21.523-07:002020-10-21T04:34:21.523-07:00Well, they beat the Germans up pretty good, but th...Well, they beat the Germans up pretty good, but there was no breakthrough. That's going to take longer.<br /><br />Mortars are good because the infantry can carry them.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-7266553465154242722020-10-20T20:33:18.333-07:002020-10-20T20:33:18.333-07:00Damn general's interrupting good soldiers when...Damn general's interrupting good soldiers when they actually made breakthru... bad karma...<br />Mortars are staple of infantry self-support to this day. And for a reason...<br />Paweł Kasperekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17636249014878876718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-56598623162985249562020-10-20T19:15:57.003-07:002020-10-20T19:15:57.003-07:00Mud would work.Mud would work.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-59515966286190384822020-10-20T19:09:52.280-07:002020-10-20T19:09:52.280-07:00willie peter. mud will also stop the burning. on...willie peter. mud will also stop the burning. only way to get rid of it is to dig it out.artbyjoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01897167382620721163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-76855458508815959322020-10-20T16:32:05.127-07:002020-10-20T16:32:05.127-07:00True.True.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-38514407365984668222020-10-20T16:06:46.932-07:002020-10-20T16:06:46.932-07:00(Don McCollor)...Immersion in water will put it ou...(Don McCollor)...Immersion in water will put it out. The problem is that it starts burning again on exposure to air...Don McCollorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028324869570493102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-36429767325263324222020-10-20T14:59:11.345-07:002020-10-20T14:59:11.345-07:00Gotta give it to the Rooskis, they're clever!Gotta give it to the Rooskis, they're clever!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-38804919779968237662020-10-20T13:32:21.803-07:002020-10-20T13:32:21.803-07:00Hey AFSarge;
Excellent Post, Yep the German...Hey AFSarge;<br /><br /> Excellent Post, Yep the Germans were not as mechanized as we thought, their propaganda was superb though. The Germans wanted to wait 6 more years to modernize before going to war, but Hitler was impatient. The Russians made their weapons in such a manner that they could use captured war stock in their tubes, as it was 'splained to me. <br /> MrGarabaldihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768774166065615995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-23822873941875825922020-10-20T10:40:35.225-07:002020-10-20T10:40:35.225-07:00Yes, it is.Yes, it is.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-80375491030957334032020-10-20T10:34:58.837-07:002020-10-20T10:34:58.837-07:00I might add that white phosphorus is very nasty st...I might add that white phosphorus is very nasty stuff. It gets on you and you cannot put it out. Just burns through your flesh. Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720206407574457665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-10730081229386526312020-10-20T10:00:44.225-07:002020-10-20T10:00:44.225-07:00Old saying - "Order, counter-order, disorder....Old saying - "Order, counter-order, disorder."<br /><br />Far more common than is generally realized.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-55380828549068920842020-10-20T09:59:47.698-07:002020-10-20T09:59:47.698-07:00They did indeed!They did indeed!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-55513765382435465182020-10-20T09:59:26.648-07:002020-10-20T09:59:26.648-07:00I do like that explanation.I do like that explanation.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-52675770743990269122020-10-20T09:59:03.673-07:002020-10-20T09:59:03.673-07:00It was a decent weapon.It was a decent weapon.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-35770375044294077362020-10-20T09:46:24.155-07:002020-10-20T09:46:24.155-07:00Ah, nothing says messed up plans like, while in th...Ah, nothing says messed up plans like, while in the middle of executing one set of plans, someone says, "Hold on, the General's got another idea."<br /><br />This... This will not end well.<br /><br />Mortars suck. Never actually been fired at by them but read enough to know the angle of fire makes for very effective bursts. And white phosphorus is nasty stuff. <br /><br />Good story.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-61587989453409648732020-10-20T09:43:08.536-07:002020-10-20T09:43:08.536-07:00They did scoot from their initial hole more forwar...They did scoot from their initial hole more forward to a hole farther, so hopefully they scooted far enough.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-63008218744279441682020-10-20T09:42:29.650-07:002020-10-20T09:42:29.650-07:00Because it's French (see my comment above.) P...Because it's French (see my comment above.) Probably had something to do with some artillery officer's affection for 81mm or some company's ability to only make 81mm tubes or some long-lost stupid reason like the designer's favorite niece or dancer's initials were H.A. or something.<br /><br />And the Russians did do 82mm, just to screw with everyone as they could use 81mm rounds but regular 81mm mortars couldn't use their 82mm rounds. Inconsiderate bastiges.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-60787990328332298102020-10-20T09:37:53.739-07:002020-10-20T09:37:53.739-07:0081mm was so popular because the Brandt mortar was ...81mm was so popular because the Brandt mortar was so popular. A French design which was legally or illegally copied across the world. The explosive hit about as hard as a 105mm shell, but the whole mortar broke down into 3 relatively easily carried portions, and a team of 10 could carry all the equipment and a half-decent load of ammo by themselves.<br /><br />It was such a revolutionary and simple design that it basically exists today in many armies, modified or straight up the same. And some upsizing and downsizing has been done. The excellent 60mm mortar used by the US was a shrunk-down 81mm.<br /><br />Everyone used them. Except the Russians had to get weird and do theirs in 82mm, sized so that the Germans' 91mm ammo would work but the Russian ammo wouldn't work in German mortars.<br /><br />For it's size, the 81mm was just about perfect for a mid-sized mortar. Each round was heavy enough to do serious damage but light enough that the mortar teams could keep up steady fire for as long as they had ammo. The range was up to almost 3km depending on the size of the bomb. It was a rugged and easy design to use. And, well, after Germany conquered France, there were lots laying about and the factories for the mortars and the ammo were right there...Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-11324613206624838102020-10-20T08:07:48.669-07:002020-10-20T08:07:48.669-07:00They're pretty resourceful, don't count &#...They're pretty resourceful, don't count 'em out yet.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-88659825230927135992020-10-20T08:06:56.357-07:002020-10-20T08:06:56.357-07:00Like the Russians do, oddball calibers.Like the Russians do, oddball calibers.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-20093713140991797602020-10-20T08:06:30.448-07:002020-10-20T08:06:30.448-07:00Fixed it. (My brain's autocorrect sucks.)
I&#...Fixed it. (My brain's autocorrect sucks.)<br /><br />I'll put you on the list.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-90980467824779266182020-10-20T08:05:38.858-07:002020-10-20T08:05:38.858-07:00Bear and Charlie may be no more?Bear and Charlie may be no more?SCOTTtheBADGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859188068159799373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-39357947082454194472020-10-20T08:05:20.123-07:002020-10-20T08:05:20.123-07:00Ah yes, soldiers, always thinking short term when ...Ah yes, soldiers, always thinking short term when carrying important stuff. How many guys ditch their overcoats in early October? Then bitch about how cold it is in early November.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.com