tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post5914552402424421302..comments2024-03-28T10:50:29.895-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: C-7 M-8OldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-63011704664133983642020-09-09T13:08:44.749-07:002020-09-09T13:08:44.749-07:00You're the linguistic expert, but Google trans...You're the linguistic expert, but Google translate seems to agree. ;-)juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-86844876764465412132020-09-08T15:48:38.041-07:002020-09-08T15:48:38.041-07:00Isn't Momyer Swedish for arsehole?Isn't Momyer Swedish for arsehole?OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-29708650072147970262020-09-08T08:47:01.377-07:002020-09-08T08:47:01.377-07:00Thanks.
Probably half my flying time was with N...Thanks. <br /><br />Probably half my flying time was with Non-Pilot aircrews. Both of my F-4 Flight Commanders were WSO's and wrote my OPRs. I quickly learned that a good WSO was worth his weight in Gold and a bad one could get you killed very quickly. So I did my best to try and get the bad ones up to speed or, failing that, not in my back seat.<br /><br />So, given that, I'm not sure there was an "Air Force" Attitude. I'm sure there were pin-heads who drove the aircraft that had that attitude. Unfortunately, they were usually the ones who ended up wearing stars and had offices with windows at Fort Fumble. They're also the reason I retired at twenty.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-52073643637362837482020-09-08T08:37:51.623-07:002020-09-08T08:37:51.623-07:002 Silver Stars is nothing to sneeze at! Heck even ...2 Silver Stars is nothing to sneeze at! Heck even one is exceptional. Sounds like your Dad would have been someone I'd like to have known. "I was just doing my job, the way I was trained." was a common statement I heard from folks like that.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-19519611418840326922020-09-08T08:24:20.546-07:002020-09-08T08:24:20.546-07:00Guess I didn't push publish on the response to...Guess I didn't push publish on the response to this yesterday. <br /><br />The voice in my brain pronounced it "C minus 7" and "M minus 8". But clearly the my sense of humor was overwhelmed by subtleness. Mea Culpa<br /><br />Pardo's Push. Two lives trump two airplanes every time in my book. Momyer was an ass, as well as an asshole!juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-10675645372097189502020-09-07T18:23:31.274-07:002020-09-07T18:23:31.274-07:00I hadn't realized the Silver Star is the 3rd h...I hadn't realized the Silver Star is the 3rd highest. As for politics involved of awards, you're darn tootin!<br /><br />Having read more than a few citations, I had thought my dad was cheated for I had read his records. (Dad wouldn't agree with my summation, it is my personal opinion only.) But he did have a Silver Star with oak leaf cluster.<br /><br />Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452530649659364201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-60788718265715881802020-09-07T12:00:11.196-07:002020-09-07T12:00:11.196-07:00Congrats on 'almost' having a house! And y...Congrats on 'almost' having a house! And yes, rain is guaranteed... You're military (retired but still), so you get rain to move in. Thanks for the research. I was going on what I remembered from back in the day. Friends I knew in the Navy seemed to both get the same award in 2 place airplanes. On another note, I 'think' part of that was the USAF 'attitude' toward non-pilot aircrews. I remember a bird colonel on one of the 'special' USAF birds that was not a pilot, but controlled the back of the bird. Since he was not a pilot, his evaluations were written by a captain who was the pilot. Thankfully the Navy was/is smarter than that. ;-)Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-35905835122773260442020-09-07T11:13:46.941-07:002020-09-07T11:13:46.941-07:00Beans, Agreed.
I read somewhere this morning that...Beans, Agreed.<br /><br />I read somewhere this morning that it is referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor however it is officially THE Medal of Honor. It gets referred to as the Congressional, I believe I read, (I can't find the site right now as I'm on a short packing break and Mrs J is wrapping things louder and louder in the kitchen), because it is awarded in the name of Congress.<br /><br />Driveway, road and low water crossings weathered the weather quite nicely, thanks.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-79762985970524089552020-09-07T11:06:02.022-07:002020-09-07T11:06:02.022-07:00Beans,
All your reasons are plausible and probable...Beans,<br />All your reasons are plausible and probable causes. I would add logistics problems inherent to the extreme distance to the theater and the comparatively lower priority given to the theater as compared to others such as Europe.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-67921095375042151962020-09-07T11:04:18.940-07:002020-09-07T11:04:18.940-07:00Tom, I've seen that picture and didn't rea...Tom, I've seen that picture and didn't realize that it wasn't Ploesti. Thanks.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I think that "Shoulda been a MOH" happened quite often. I also am curious about the politics of 4 Korean Medal of Honor recipients only. Remember they received the Army Medal of Honor as the USAF hadn't been authorized their own yet. I'm positive, inter-service politics didn't come into play there at all.<br /><br />juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-45840063509263947372020-09-07T11:00:11.342-07:002020-09-07T11:00:11.342-07:00Some of them were simple, moving into or out of a ...Some of them were simple, moving into or out of a college dorm, or BOQ at pilot training. Some were a bit more exciting, New Mexico to Okinawa. Big Spring to Columbus MS was an especially exciting one as it took place in January during a sleet storm. But every one had percipitation. First look at the weather for the upcoming week shows the streak has a fair chance of being unbroken.<br /><br />Well 3 of the 5 Medals of Honor went to Wing Commanders, 2 of those posthumously. The other went on to be a really big deal in SAC. That's another upcoming story, though.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-54237051051123816622020-09-07T09:32:20.740-07:002020-09-07T09:32:20.740-07:00To address things in reverse order, yeah, January ...To address things in reverse order, yeah, January 2017, the man sure hates servicemembers, doesn't he? Grrrrrr. I am so tired of hit piece after hit piece over vapor and wet dreams. It's one thing if there was something there, but just to make up lies that are more transparent than a 3 year old's? Double Grrrrrrrr....<br /><br />Funny, on the MOH tier of doom, I don't see Congress anywhere in the whole 'Congressional Medal of Honor' except at the beginning of the process. Though I am sure they are lurking to put their sticky fingers in to gum up the process. But, politics aside, thanks for finding that flow-chart. Explains a lot we mortals who didn't serve didn't understand (well, at least me, the awards system has always seen to be wonky, people who way deserve them not getting them while REMFs and FOBbits and Penta-Wonks sucking up the majority. Then there's the people who receive medals who can't wear them because that would acknowledge that something something happened somewhere and that would raise questions. Like... Major Gantt. A sled-driver. Had a stack of boxes in his closet that didn't match his uniform. Or my dad, who at his retirement was able to pin on some fruit salad that I've never seen before. Just that once, because retirement. Weird. Again, thanks for tracking down the flow chart.<br /><br />Glad things are moving along, if glacially. Our ground over here has been dry until last week and now it's over-saturated. Which sounds nice to people who don't live on relatively flat limestone sub-base areas, but that's how sink holes start... Still, nice not walking through crunchy grass. Is your driveway and road in good condition now?<br />Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-27962049082272014372020-09-07T09:22:17.030-07:002020-09-07T09:22:17.030-07:00For some reason, the Pacific was especially bad on...For some reason, the Pacific was especially bad on B-24s. Don't know why. Maybe it may have been the superb Japanese AAA (yes, juvat, I can hear you hissing now) equipment and troops. Maybe the harsh environment (yes, the Med had salt air too, but the bases were dry. Not so in the Pacific.) Or it may have just been they needed more TLC than a B-17.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-9884264623776976492020-09-07T07:11:30.917-07:002020-09-07T07:11:30.917-07:00Glad you explained the whole "C-7 M-8" t...Glad you explained the whole "C-7 M-8" thing, makes perfect sense. So it would be said, out loud, as "Charlie 7, Mike 8" - which almost sounds like a sports money ball score. Heh.<br /><br />Most, if not all, military awards are tainted by politics and the mean spirits of the shoe clerks. Because they are useless idiots, they assume everyone else must be at well.<br /><br />I have seen a couple of command directed awards for low level things where the shoe clerks and bean counters were up in arms. Command suggested that unless they really wanted that coveted assignment in the Aleutians, or Greenland, just keep making noise. Otherwise, do the paperwork and STFU.<br /><br />Pardo's Push, one of my favorite stories!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-46072967168168453742020-09-07T05:57:38.319-07:002020-09-07T05:57:38.319-07:00Know you'll be glad to get the saga of Casa Nu...Know you'll be glad to get the saga of Casa Nueva de juvat past the next steps - as a reader, it doesn't seem like it's taken too long, but imagine you and Sra. juvat have a different perspective! After the closing and move in, let us know if you want to do it all over agin!<br /><br />The Ploesti raid was seared into my memory as a kid watching movies in the 50's and 60's with one image in particular standing out - where the camera is looking down on a B-24 just as it gets the left wing root hit and it comes off in a ball of fire, and the plane starts to go down. BUT, even though that image was used in a video on Ploesti, another documentary I just found says that footage was shot over the Carolines in the Pacific theater, and that film seems believable. So maybe news media using footage from other places in reports about a given location isn't anything new...<br />Politics certainly play a part in the award of the MOH. Know of one case where an action worthy of at least the Navy Cross and perhaps even the MOH was not awarded until years later due to politics within the DoD, and even then the ward up being for the Silver Star.Tom in NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576958446243001152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-58659376272311777122020-09-07T04:20:05.264-07:002020-09-07T04:20:05.264-07:00The Big Day approaches! Huzzah! Holy smokes.....48...The Big Day approaches! Huzzah! Holy smokes.....48 moves......yup a military career will result in that. Practice that cursive now and good luck juvat. Yah, can't think of ANYTHING that happened in January 2017 that could have changed the approval process for medals. Fifty per cent loss on one bombing raid..... time to send a few generals out on a mission.Nylon12noreply@blogger.com