tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post7352700353438683887..comments2024-03-19T03:03:41.138-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: When it's time to leaveOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-90912377968695350392016-05-11T14:40:20.241-07:002016-05-11T14:40:20.241-07:00Amazing cooperation, to put it mildly!!!
Amazing cooperation, to put it mildly!!!<br />Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-18686834161141045252016-05-11T10:33:01.975-07:002016-05-11T10:33:01.975-07:00I meant to add in the above that pulling the throt...I meant to add in the above that pulling the throttles to idle with the high bypass design of the engine, effectively eliminated head on heat shots until very close range. You'd know when the other guy did it, because your nice, loud, steady tone from the missile would go completely away and the HUD would show the missile seeker drifting around looking for something to lock on to. We discovered that a lot of clouds got killed when we reviewed the video.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-66369598978069208902016-05-11T07:14:19.093-07:002016-05-11T07:14:19.093-07:00I would imagine so!I would imagine so!SCOTTtheBADGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859188068159799373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-1381468744820757892016-05-10T10:54:59.458-07:002016-05-10T10:54:59.458-07:00The "Towering Inferno", as that fight be...The "Towering Inferno", as that fight became known, was an AIMVAL/ACEVAL engagement. Actually shutting down the motors at 10NM was generally not considered a good idea. However, my squadron's standard at 10 miles was throttles to idle (try not to pull up on them else you shut them down, I'm sure it has happened), VCR to HUD (to record what's happening there vs the radar scope and Head out of the cockpit. At a minimum of 1000K closing velocity, you were a max of 45 seconds from the merge. Things get very exciting very fast in those few seconds. juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-4945297246883763442016-05-10T09:09:24.570-07:002016-05-10T09:09:24.570-07:00Ah, another great post Juvat.
The first part remi...Ah, another great post Juvat.<br /><br />The first part reminded me of the great stories I've heard about AIMVAL/ACEVAL, a couple from the great Hoser Satrapa himself. Shutting down the motors at 10NM to take away the forward quarter heater shot among other gems. Wonder if that spirit is allowed to openly exist these days?<br /><br />I'd never thought about the details of the Gallipoli withdrawal before, though I know that such things are fraught with peril. Brings to mind the Marines left behind on Koh Tang.PrairieAdventurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466447251827774900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-86474007925679737342016-05-09T19:42:24.607-07:002016-05-09T19:42:24.607-07:00Now, that's funny! (True, but funny!)Now, that's funny! (True, but funny!)juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-29705136972548409552016-05-09T19:40:52.177-07:002016-05-09T19:40:52.177-07:00That's kinda what I figured and what my counte...That's kinda what I figured and what my counterpart said. Just didn't think I could describe it with authority, so thanks.<br /><br />Lot's of cooperation, all round!juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-38926491998355516642016-05-09T19:32:54.753-07:002016-05-09T19:32:54.753-07:00Drip guns. eh? When drips are outlawed only outlaw...Drip guns. eh? When drips are outlawed only outlaws will use drips!Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-61167656580024005942016-05-09T18:13:47.664-07:002016-05-09T18:13:47.664-07:00Sea room is enough room to maneuver the ship and n...Sea room is enough room to maneuver the ship and not get 'caught' against a land mass, island or other restriction. In a battle sense, it's room to maneuver to bring your weapons into play, while 'hopefully' not getting in range of the enemies weapons. Another sea room issue is the ability to get into an attack position and have maneuvering room to get out with minimal chance of counter detection (e.g. submarine fires torp from as far away from destroyers as possible...) Nice post, and there was a LOT of cooperation there!!!Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-52927377741872915182016-05-09T16:10:03.470-07:002016-05-09T16:10:03.470-07:00Good question, and I don't know the answer. P...Good question, and I don't know the answer. Perhaps the energy needed to propel the missile exceeds that which can be produced smokelessly. You want them to go fast and go fast quickly and have sufficient energy to travel a fair distance after motor burnout, so that would be my guess, but it's only that. A guess.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-70295602167303730162016-05-09T14:41:10.203-07:002016-05-09T14:41:10.203-07:00Please excuse the ignorance. Why isn't it poss...Please excuse the ignorance. Why isn't it possible to make smokeless missile propellent?Well Seasoned Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16670165728759453075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-76676418814543758562016-05-09T12:23:35.821-07:002016-05-09T12:23:35.821-07:00Having a plan for leaving before you start the fig...Having a plan for leaving before you start the fight is better than trying to come up with one on the fly. <br /><br />Incidentally, while the F-15 pictured is firing a live missile, it's not a war shot (the patch of blue in front of the forward fins is a telemetry package). He's making a tactical error. As soon as he fired the missile, he should be moving his aircraft. He's tethered to that missile via the radar as it is. No sense in also giving the target a visual by staying in proximity to the smoke trail. We were holding waiting for our chance to fire a live missile on a deployment to the PI. We were > 25 miles behind the shooters and could make out their smoke trails with ease. <br /><br />As you say, everyone and their uncle is looking for you.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-26012119087481471912016-05-09T11:03:30.871-07:002016-05-09T11:03:30.871-07:00Never thought of that - the strategy of leaving - ...Never thought of that - the strategy of leaving - but of course it makes sense. Always remember something an Army Sgt told me during a training class - he was a sniper in Vietnam - that being a sniper was one of the most dangerous things because once you give your position away (first shot) everyone and their uncle is looking for you. <br /><br />Gettinkg away can be difficult unless thought out. Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720206407574457665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-36067144997092450212016-05-09T10:53:03.007-07:002016-05-09T10:53:03.007-07:00That is a good point, and "some" is an u...That is a good point, and "some" is an understatement. There was discussion (with Pictures) of the role of the Navy on the Gallipoli.gov.au site. Naval gunfire support was to be their primary role should the evacuation be discovered, and every ship they had was being used as a troop ships. The gunfire support ended up being shelling the Allies supply dumps to keep the Turks from capturing them. juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-18841816312689279162016-05-09T08:39:00.303-07:002016-05-09T08:39:00.303-07:00Thanks for that.
Now there is one less thing about...Thanks for that.<br />Now there is one less thing about which I am curious.<br /><br />One pint I could make is that it probably required some cooperation and coordination with a navy to pull it off.(not necessarily your) Uncle Skiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02705753220273516841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-31060534571562752332016-05-09T08:11:05.059-07:002016-05-09T08:11:05.059-07:00ThanksThanksjuvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-58616434383678113542016-05-09T08:05:58.432-07:002016-05-09T08:05:58.432-07:00Very well done.Very well done.SCOTTtheBADGERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859188068159799373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-55491396053154728802016-05-09T06:56:15.139-07:002016-05-09T06:56:15.139-07:00Thanks.Thanks.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40027451943366558352016-05-09T06:56:02.170-07:002016-05-09T06:56:02.170-07:00ThanksThanksjuvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-84429227963384473192016-05-09T05:40:17.787-07:002016-05-09T05:40:17.787-07:00Another instant classic.
Great post!Another instant classic.<br /><br />Great post!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-56187847729824692732016-05-09T04:09:32.162-07:002016-05-09T04:09:32.162-07:00Fascinating x2. Fascinating x2. Murphy's Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17164780742334950772noreply@blogger.com