tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post8339158799112292452..comments2024-03-28T16:26:35.679-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Flying? What's that?OldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-37044906537218500172020-02-12T16:41:15.779-08:002020-02-12T16:41:15.779-08:00(Don McCollor) (they had been assigned a dog of a ...(Don McCollor) (they had been assigned a dog of a B17-24 missions without an engine change). Omitted from the quote was: "Sam [the pilot -Bert was copilot] punched the nose down and we came out five hundred feet below the rest of the formation. 'That was close,' was all he said".Don McCollorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028324869570493102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-31811713606254923212020-02-12T14:29:55.914-08:002020-02-12T14:29:55.914-08:00Yes, that is generally considered a "Bad Thin...Yes, that is generally considered a "Bad Thing". But, since he used past tense in the sentence describing it, one would assume that it wasn't an "Extremely Bad Thing".juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-54949225229055618322020-02-11T16:21:24.002-08:002020-02-11T16:21:24.002-08:00(Don McCollor) (a belated quote from Bert Stiles&#...(Don McCollor) (a belated quote from Bert Stiles' "Serenade to the Big Bird" [B17, WW2])..."The air speed indicator froze up and we stalled out...It isn't a very bright play to stall out with a maximum [bomb] load"...Don McCollorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028324869570493102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-76842839903593115992020-02-11T09:51:35.204-08:002020-02-11T09:51:35.204-08:00I'm a day late and a dollar short, but I suspe...I'm a day late and a dollar short, but I suspect, Juvat, that your crew chief would have not appreciated you deploying said screw-up stopper 'chute like that. <br /><br />I love the vid on what makes wings fly. Over on the AOPA boards and others, there are essentially wild west shootouts on Bernie v. Isaac making the planes go up in the air. (Personally, I say they usually work together, and share the load--with Bernie working harder the faster ya go, and Isaac working harder the slower ya go, until finally, both turn in their resignations. That said, it's all AoA, anyway. But most little aluminum planes, if that Critical AoA is exceeded at high G-loads enough, will also eventually shed their wings. They don't seem to fly well without said appendages. <br /><br />All that, and I'll say this: All the scientists and even that video is wrong. The only physical law that makes an airplane fly--especially little put-put planes--is one written by Benjamin Franklin. If you don't have Benjamin in your pocket, that plane ain't flyin'! :D This I've attested to all too often. Grrr. I need more Benjamins! :P <br /><br />Love the comments love the explanations. Jim Shawleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05488328277463575274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-11458820484443968562020-02-11T07:20:16.702-08:002020-02-11T07:20:16.702-08:00William, I could be mistaken, but i believe all pl...William, I could be mistaken, but i believe all planes will stall at some airspeed. The STOL airplanes in Alaska might stall at single digits. And VTOL planes can hover, but their engines are what keeps them airborne not lift on the wings. Your comment about lowering the nose vs releasing back pressure is probably valid for the type of aircraft you fly. The goal is to get air flowing properly over the wings. Releasing back pressure (aka stop doing what you did to make the plane stall). The second step is to get it flying. Bold face for the F-4 Out of Control procedure demonstrates this: <br />1) Stick-Forword<br />2) Ailerons and rudder - neutral<br />3) If not recovered- Maintain Full forward stick and deploy drag chute.<br /><br />#1 is the “release back pressure”. #2 helps avoid adverse yaw. “Stall +yaw = spin” #3 would force the nose of the aircraft down helping to break the stall.<br /><br />I used #1 and 2 many times in the F-4 (air to air fighting requires flying on the edge of the envelope) but never had to use the drag chute for anything other than landing.<br /><br />Thankfully.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-24443606869758312552020-02-11T01:18:20.078-08:002020-02-11T01:18:20.078-08:00Years ago I saw an amazing demonstration of an F 1...Years ago I saw an amazing demonstration of an F 14 at the Reno Air races. The pilot was demonstrating how slow he could go. <br /><br />The wings of course were fully extended and at a very high angle of attack <br /><br />he just seemed to walk across the runway. <br /><br />Juvat obviously as an F-15 pilot your experience is far greater than my 200 hours of Cessnas and Pipers. <br /><br />But I was taught if you are in a stall you have to drop the nose not just released back pressure but move that stick forward. <br /><br />And I had another instructor that demonstrated at least with the Piper did if you were constantly on with the rudders and keeping it coordinated your plane will not stall. Is this true for all of them? <br /><br />It doesn’t matter how high you are because if you stall low enough you’re going to hit nose first anyway<br /><br />At least that’s what I was taught<br /><br />Now if you really want to have some fun get into a spin when you have a about eight hours and wasn’t expecting it<br /><br />On the way to getting my license I screwed up every which way<br /><br />That episode did teach me that failure to fly the plane and be aware of what it is telling you that things can happen in an instant<br /><br />Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720206407574457665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-73646941905028295632020-02-10T20:18:33.177-08:002020-02-10T20:18:33.177-08:00Flt COs have no sense of humor!Flt COs have no sense of humor!Dave's Daily Day Dreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491764990082380190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-1120140616876741362020-02-10T18:55:55.092-08:002020-02-10T18:55:55.092-08:00Being the pilot gives you a bit of warning not ava...Being the pilot gives you a bit of warning not available to other, non-pilots, on board. I learned to watch my student’s heads from the back seat to get a quarter second warning of what the planned to do next in a defensive air to air ride. Course it was also wise to keep track of the guy behind you also. Perhaps that’s why my neck hurts nowadays.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-2423282454972001982020-02-10T18:44:45.420-08:002020-02-10T18:44:45.420-08:00Not that you had ever done that!Not that you had ever done that!juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-10998130633769600922020-02-10T17:48:22.957-08:002020-02-10T17:48:22.957-08:00John, re: being a passenger in a plane doing aerob...John, re: being a passenger in a plane doing aerobatics. I'm right there with you. I would love being a pilot flying aerobatics, but being a passenger? Nope, nope, nopity nope.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296988746956477216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-90593282696628634642020-02-10T17:41:39.920-08:002020-02-10T17:41:39.920-08:00Yerp... Aerodynamics and airflow... And it's F...Yerp... Aerodynamics and airflow... And it's FUN to stall out a MIG 25 below 10000 feet, then get a 'bit' unhappy... Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-55802375565630974832020-02-10T14:18:11.647-08:002020-02-10T14:18:11.647-08:00Rent free! (with appropriate usage rights)Rent free! (with appropriate usage rights)juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-57485489806929719802020-02-10T12:59:09.054-08:002020-02-10T12:59:09.054-08:00I like where you're going with this John.I like where you're going with this John.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-41685736217926382222020-02-10T12:22:43.599-08:002020-02-10T12:22:43.599-08:00As I heard over and over in my flying career, &quo...As I heard over and over in my flying career, "The only time you can have too much fuel...is when you're on fire." I think that goes double when you're on a carrier.<br /><br />Yep flying by the rules = magic.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-60350523994581011462020-02-10T11:46:56.548-08:002020-02-10T11:46:56.548-08:00But Sarge, as soon as your post retirement career ...But Sarge, as soon as your post retirement career as a world famous writer takes off, (takes off, I did that on purpose) you will need a corporate aircraft to travel to book signings. <br />And I know there is a guy in Texas who just might be able to find room to stow the aircraft for you. John in Phillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196033252818387245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-8647366973330202822020-02-10T11:43:21.545-08:002020-02-10T11:43:21.545-08:00What? You can' work the stick with your knees...What? You can' work the stick with your knees? Slacker.Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-77834836528906028902020-02-10T10:59:29.948-08:002020-02-10T10:59:29.948-08:00Damn, that's practically giving them away!
No...Damn, that's practically giving them away!<br /><br />No way I'll get that past the Appropriations Committee, aka <i>The Missus Herself</i>.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-19275538104471746492020-02-10T10:38:43.109-08:002020-02-10T10:38:43.109-08:00Fun stuff juvat! Little bits of understanding make...Fun stuff juvat! Little bits of understanding make watching airshows much more funner. Clean/dirty passes are a fun lesson to watch. And dissimilar form as you've illustrated so well. It's interesting that the Legacy Bug has such a fearsome rep as a low speed/high alpha gunfighter, yet the Blues jet it replaced -- The A-4 Super Fox -- is even better in that arena. Particularly in cold air and at very low weight, when J52-P408 delivers 1:1 thrust to weight. Of course you can't fight a war with a slick bomber flying on fumes...<br /><br />And it is magic, the magic just comes with rules.PrairieAdventurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466447251827774900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-54343166361354968262020-02-10T10:05:43.741-08:002020-02-10T10:05:43.741-08:00Ah yes, the dreaded Stall + Yaw = Spin. I never l...Ah yes, the dreaded Stall + Yaw = Spin. I never liked spins. We practiced them quite a bit in the T-37 phase of UPT. We practiced Hi-AOA rolls in the F-4 which because of the aircraft's airflow characteristics, (at High AOA, the ailerons are not very effective and are more prone to yaw the aircraft rather than roll and Hi AOA is by definition close to a stall. Refer to the formula above. I can (and do) still recite the boldface procedures for Out of Control and Spin in the F-4.<br /><br />The Eagle? No problema. She would stall, but generated so much lift (even the fuselage generates lift) that easing off the back pressure slightly would recover it. <br /><br />Well, since my right hand is waving at you (all fingers, not just one), my left hand must be flying the airplane.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-74623920971276218452020-02-10T09:58:22.345-08:002020-02-10T09:58:22.345-08:00Well, the first time I was asked to explain how an...Well, the first time I was asked to explain how an aircraft is able to fly, my answer of "Pure F'in Magic", got a laugh all round and a request to report to my Flight Commander for further discussion.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-13112507396601799392020-02-10T09:56:48.692-08:002020-02-10T09:56:48.692-08:00Thanks, BBC. Let me know what they say.Thanks, BBC. Let me know what they say.juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-45435941291591650272020-02-10T09:54:06.536-08:002020-02-10T09:54:06.536-08:00Evidently, one can be yours for the low, low price...<a href="https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/september/pilot/budget-buy-pitts-special" rel="nofollow">Evidently,</a> one can be yours for the low, low price of $46K.<br /><br />Sarge? About that raise you've been promising....juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-4264726762900540692020-02-10T09:50:59.697-08:002020-02-10T09:50:59.697-08:00Great video! Felt myself unconsciously performing ...Great video! Felt myself unconsciously performing the anti-<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-LOC" rel="nofollow">gloc</a> straining maneuver. (He wasn't doing it the way I was taught. It's more of a forced exhale and quick inhale rather than yelling, but hey whatever works. Besides, he's flying....I'm not.)juvathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09096708575138552532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-79227977740845952372020-02-10T09:38:25.555-08:002020-02-10T09:38:25.555-08:00Oddly, my brain immediately popped up a mental ima...Oddly, my brain immediately popped up a mental image of a biplane when I read Pitts Special.<br />I visited YouTube to check out some Pitts Special flying and as much as I would like to be a passenger during aerobatics, I'm concerned that my behavior might result in my callsign being, John Who Screams Like A Little Girl.But it would be simply awesome.<br /><br /><br />John in Phillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196033252818387245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-6796907604211591722020-02-10T09:37:02.380-08:002020-02-10T09:37:02.380-08:00Very good class on lift and Angle of Attack (AOA)a...Very good class on lift and Angle of Attack (AOA)and how they are life. <br /><br />Then there's the low-speed yaw due to not enough thrust and not enough control over the vertical stabilizer. Seen that a few times at Patrick when the F-16s first started showing up. Asked my dad why he went white watching them, and he said they were about to slip and fall. Then he explained how he lost one of his pilot buddies in Korea from him going too slow and just yawing down (flameout on landing approach.) He said the plane just slid left from 500 feet and that was that. He was quiet for the rest of the day. Weird, as an ex-pilot, he didn't like watching planes. I guess too many bad memories or something.<br /><br />Never saw the A-7s do that. Those beefy little runts just looked too pissed off to ever fall out of the sky. Heck, they looked angry enough to fly without fuel, though I know that was an impossibility, just looked it.<br /><br />As to the picture of you, well, I know why your left hand isn't showing.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Your watch is weighing it down.... :)Beanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15293778848879361153noreply@blogger.com