tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post8527598391454757267..comments2024-03-28T15:54:43.848-07:00Comments on Chant du Départ: Knights of the AirOldAFSargehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-44779859967696965382016-10-27T13:05:51.697-07:002016-10-27T13:05:51.697-07:00Saw that today. Am tickled that you published that...Saw that today. Am tickled that you published that, can't wait to see the readers responses!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-87028349321610592812016-10-27T11:55:58.490-07:002016-10-27T11:55:58.490-07:00Sarge: I decided to use the painting for one of my...Sarge: I decided to use the painting for one of my headers and decided it might be fun to have my readers see if they could spot the differences. Low and behold, I spotted another one or two (depending on how you count them)!<br /><br />If you look behind the prop, under the nose of the BC 109, the air scoop is more prominent, plus there are dark rectangles under the wings that suggest some feature on the underside of the wing, approximately in line with the landing gear.<br /><br />If you want to see how well my readers did, it's over at http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2016/10/can-you-spot-differences.htmlMike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-48145667739955492112016-09-30T07:20:50.520-07:002016-09-30T07:20:50.520-07:00Good eye, indeed it is.Good eye, indeed it is.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-17127184358382229862016-09-30T07:19:17.112-07:002016-09-30T07:19:17.112-07:00Only a monster would intentionally kill the helple...Only a monster would intentionally kill the helpless. Nearly all Nazis were monsters, most regular Germans were not and still are not. War and stressful times do odd things to people, we can see that in our own streets now.<br /><br />Having read many a nautical tale, it seemed to me that sailors, regardless of what flag they sailed under, regarded their primary enemy as the sea itself. The sea has no mercy, that's a very human quality.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-35226443069651674702016-09-30T07:16:03.137-07:002016-09-30T07:16:03.137-07:00Bogart works at a glance.Bogart works at a glance.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-7163539026057388272016-09-30T07:13:24.574-07:002016-09-30T07:13:24.574-07:00No small number of Germans got the blindfold and 8...No small number of Germans got the blindfold and 8mm salute for being humane. It's interesting to ponder the morals and ethics of such men and of the nation as a whole. In 1942 hitler let it be known that he desired that no enemy seamen would survive sinking, strongly implying that U-Boats destroy lifeboats and their crews. Doenitz promulgated a strong message outlining the reasoning behind sinking lifeboats -- that seamen were in fact enemy combatants and would man other ships if they survived and were therefore legitimate targets even in lifeboats. So far as we know, however, neither hitler nor Doenitz actually made it an order. Even though they could read between the lines and understand command's intent, most Captains and crews found an endless list of reasons why they couldn't comply. In a kill or be killed situation it's personal survival and somebody's gonna get croaked. It's different when one guy/side is helpless and/or submits. Is that a genetic thing or learned behavior? I'd guess both. Either way, intentionally killing the helpless would be an impossible burden to bear, I think.PrairieAdventurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466447251827774900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-24778481114816507312016-09-30T06:49:18.614-07:002016-09-30T06:49:18.614-07:00Camouflage is different on the wings of the Gustav...Camouflage is different on the wings of the Gustav. PrairieAdventurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466447251827774900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-66903541111532430262016-09-30T04:01:46.190-07:002016-09-30T04:01:46.190-07:00When I first saw the photo, I thought he could pas...When I first saw the photo, I thought he could pass for Humphrey Bogart. When I got another look on a different monitor, he does seem to resemble Affleck more.<br /><br />Bruce JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-15153208025996809062016-09-29T15:45:23.927-07:002016-09-29T15:45:23.927-07:00And I like your theory on the repositioning and re...And I like your theory on the repositioning and repainting of the 109.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-4717620054517293602016-09-29T15:43:54.007-07:002016-09-29T15:43:54.007-07:00Yes on the B-17. Other than the P being a little d...Yes on the B-17. Other than the P being a little darker than the BC, the only thing missing is that bit under the nose.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-81506073029981040792016-09-29T15:42:34.439-07:002016-09-29T15:42:34.439-07:00I thought so too.I thought so too.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-83905752036301185292016-09-29T15:16:13.237-07:002016-09-29T15:16:13.237-07:00I'm going to venture a guess...the 109 on the ...I'm going to venture a guess...the 109 on the book cover was painted by a different artist, over the old one, so they could get the salute on the cover, to increase interest and sales. Let the conspiracies begin! Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-75426172266010980962016-09-29T14:56:21.645-07:002016-09-29T14:56:21.645-07:00The strangest part seems to be that the B-17 (minu...The strangest part seems to be that the B-17 (minus the nacelle) is a bullethole by bullethole representation of the painting. It's the 109 that's changed in size, style & aspect. Who knows?Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-80370191020889520782016-09-29T14:04:18.284-07:002016-09-29T14:04:18.284-07:00It is an excellent book!It is an excellent book!Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-36683158302671530992016-09-29T13:29:30.828-07:002016-09-29T13:29:30.828-07:00I've gotta do some digging and figure out why ...I've gotta do some digging and figure out why the two paintings are so similar, yet so different.<br /><br />At first I thought the P was just darker.<br /><br />This is fun. I love those "can you find the difference" puzzles.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-91683383794594224102016-09-29T13:28:04.934-07:002016-09-29T13:28:04.934-07:00Man but you have a good eye Mike!Man but you have a good eye Mike!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-63256031553763420192016-09-29T13:25:41.267-07:002016-09-29T13:25:41.267-07:00Yup, soon as you mentioned it, I checked. I see th...Yup, soon as you mentioned it, I checked. I see the difference on the -17, didn't notice that before.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-35586019455431395262016-09-29T13:13:32.035-07:002016-09-29T13:13:32.035-07:00Here goes: For brevity's sake I'll call th...Here goes: For brevity's sake I'll call them P (painting) & BC (book cover)<br /><br />1. Nacelle missing from nose of 17 (probably to accomode text on BC)<br />2. BC 109 is larger/greater distance from P 109/closer to artist's POV<br />(note wing tip of 109 with respect to gun turret 17)<br />3. Guns (cowl mounted MG 17 machine guns & 20mm nose cannon) more prominent in BC<br />4. Prop at a slightly different position between P & BC<br />5. Pilot saluting in BC 109<br />6. Small additional circular antenna behind cockpit on BC<br />7. Air intake scoop below cowling different<br />8. Dimples on wings (to accomodate landing gear?) smooth bumps on P, Frisbee-like on BC<br />9. Four dots visible on P between cowling & cockpit, obscured by cowling on BC. Might be the angle, but also the cowling looks more like flaps/saddlebags on BC compared to P<br /><br />If you see anything else, let us know! Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-66997486784653358952016-09-29T12:36:11.495-07:002016-09-29T12:36:11.495-07:00I may have spotted a ninth, but that might be a qu...I may have spotted a ninth, but that might be a quibble because of the angle the 109 is taking on the book cover. .Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-65566037698246770152016-09-29T12:28:46.053-07:002016-09-29T12:28:46.053-07:00I only saw one on the 17. Unless you count the dis...I only saw one on the 17. Unless you count the distance between the two planes.Mike aka Proofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08931553845065187278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-90999806945941667142016-09-29T11:07:22.968-07:002016-09-29T11:07:22.968-07:00That's what I'm thinking too Paul.That's what I'm thinking too Paul.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-42775759649274171302016-09-29T10:42:02.796-07:002016-09-29T10:42:02.796-07:00Are most of them on the 109? I didn't see too...Are most of them on the 109? I didn't see too many differences on the 17.<br /><br />Paul L. QuandtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-68620564107148460602016-09-29T10:25:10.028-07:002016-09-29T10:25:10.028-07:00Let me know when you're done finding those dif...Let me know when you're done finding those differences Mike.<br /><br />I've already seen a few of them. I'm keen to find them all, but not without knowing how many there might be.<br /><br />I do get the OCD thing. I have a little of that myself.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-40337782526597887062016-09-29T10:23:09.345-07:002016-09-29T10:23:09.345-07:00Well, you're absolutely right. When I went hun...Well, you're absolutely right. When I went hunting for the painting, that was the clearest I could find.<br /><br />Then I added the book cover.<br /><br />This morning I started seeing the little differences.<br /><br />Oh dear!OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7684531976778247960.post-56239534865699218282016-09-29T10:21:55.690-07:002016-09-29T10:21:55.690-07:00An excellent story.An excellent story.OldAFSargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15935839956936191547noreply@blogger.com