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My whole life has been about getting from point A to point B in order to do something at point B. I've never really been an "it's not the destination, it's the journey" kind of guy. Might be the fact that I spent 24 years in the Air Force. (I also like to show up at the airport hours before a scheduled flight, or maybe that's the Dad in me.)
Anyhoo, never been much of a tourist.
"What brings this on Sarge?" some of you may be asking.
Well, yesterday's post presented me with lots of ideas for things to do in retirement, especially as regards traveling to see the kids and grandkids in California. While flying does get you there in a hurry, one is also missing various things in the "flyover country" that are worth seeing. (As pointed out to me by a couple of y'all.)
So that's something I would need to adjust to, that is, I'd be driving to California, but would be making stops along the way, for a day or more at a time. The stops that is. And that is what will take some adjusting.
The Missus Herself has always been somewhat uncomfortable with my "we can't stop, we gotta make more miles!" way of traveling. She once swore that if I could, I would drive across the country with nothing more than a cooler full of sandwiches and sodas and stops only to fuel up (and take a leak, as it were, all that soda has to go somewhere).
Well, I did do that once, not across the entire country mind you, just from Vermont to Denver, which is, as some of you might know, a fair distance to travel. Two-thousand miles, give or take, as I recall. I've done that road twice, once going out, once coming back, but under different circumstances each time.
In 1982 we had returned to the States from Korea, well, I had returned, bringing a wife and son with me. (Didn't have 'em when I went out that way.) We spent a month with my parents in Vermont, in June mind you, with no air conditioning, I should also mention that The Missus Herself was pregnant with The Nuke, about three months into that ordeal.
I had orders for Lowry AFB, in Denver, so at some point in time we mounted up in the VW Beetle, along with all the stuff we'd need to get started, and headed for Denver. Note that the VW Beetle, back in the day, did not have air conditioning, repeat, did not.
This became an issue at some point in the trip, not the first day, traveling across New York, but later, might have been Nebraska.
I still remember The Missus Herself asking, "How many more hours until we get there?" And me saying, "Days dear, not hours, days. Maybe three days by my reckoning."
Her stunned look sort of set the tone for the rest of the trip.
But it was very much a "must get there, can't stop" sort of trip. Though we did stay in motels along the way. In Erie, PA, - Omaha, NE, - and might have been another somewhere along the way. A long trip.
The mission was, of course, to get to Denver, report in, and start working/setting up house/awaiting The Nuke's arrival. Which we accomplished.
So that's how I used to roll. These days I get reminded, by The Missus Herself , that "Yes, we will be stopping for a nice dinner along the way. No, not McDonalds/Burger King/Kentucky Fried Chicken/etc. A real restaurant, with wait staff and menus and amenities. So I've been partially trained to stop and "enjoy" myself.
Tough to do when you keep looking at your watch and thinking, "We could have made Des Moines by now! Damn it!" But I can learn.
As to the indifferent tourist thing, I well remember our trip to Paris. It was Easter weekend in 1992. Wing bus trip to the capital of La Belle France for a 4-day weekend (which Easter is in Europe).
One of the first stops was la tour d'Eiffel. It was raining/hailing/sunny on that day. No, seriously. It was spring and the weather was weird. At any rate, our bus stopped at the Eiffel Tower, pretty much in the same spot as can be seen in the photo.
Everyone on the bus was very "Oh wow, the Eiffel Tower, it's so pretty, we need to go to the top of it!" Whereas I sat there, looked out the window and said, "Damn, sumbitch is bigger than I thought."
We thought, briefly, about joining the queue to go up the Tower, then decided not to. After all, the rain/hail/sunshine cycle was continuing and we had no desire to wait in line. So we moved on and checked into our hotel.
We did do some touristy stuff in Paris but not the big ones. The Louvre was too damned crowded as were a couple of other venues. But we did go to the Museé de l'Armeé, where I had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of when the wives had decided they'd seen enough.
"But we're only up to the 17th Century!" I wailed as we departed. But we did go to a quiet bistro, sipped wine, and watched the people go by. Which is my idea of being a tourist, as in, try to blend in and not be so obviously a tourist.
But like I said in a comment yesterday ...
I'm a man
but I can change
if I have to
I guess.
So I'll adapt.
Somehow ...
Somehow, yesterday, when I read that, I started thinking of Admiral Rachel L. Levine, MD. and got ill.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why my mind goes into these weird blind alleys.
ARGH!! Now I need to douse my mind's eye with bleach!
DeleteMessage to prospective retirees might also be “pull the pin now and don’t count, just toss it”. Singular message I’ve learned from most retirees is “how did I ever find time to work?” On the downside, get accustomed to losing track of what day it is.
ReplyDeleteAs long as I'm enjoying it there's no need to pull the pin. Heck, I only work 32 hours a week now so it ain't a big burden.
DeleteWhy is it that Air Force folks on the 60's wanted to take pregnant women on vacations in the heat? Our family story (told many times, especially when hot and humid) was when my mom was pregnant with me my dad did this. He was a captain that had recently graduated Air War College in Montgomery, Al and had gotten to go to get his Masters at MIT in Boston. Well my mother (a recently discharged nurse captain) was 7-8 months pregnant during this move. They packed up and in July/August dad decided to make it a vacation along the way. A vacation to see all of the Civil War Battlefields along the way. Having a pregnant lady walk battlefields is not a vacation according to Mom.
ReplyDeleteHe also thought it was a good idea after we returned from Clark AFB to tour the American Southwest as we headed from Travis to Sheppard AFB. He was an O-6 at this point but that did not seem to help his understanding of women. But It was better this time according to her story. Still the middle of the summer but she was only 6 months pregnant this time, it wasn't as humid, and the car had A/C.
A year later he purchased a motorhome. If you ever saw an Escapade motorhome parked at a Holiday Inn hotel it was him. She put her foot down by now and placed a requirement that every 3rd night we would be in a nice hotel and eating at a full service restaurant or the trip would not count as a vacation for her.
Sounds like your Mom had her stuff together!
DeleteMaybe because back in the 60's Airforce wives were always pregnant?
DeleteHhmm ...
DeleteI had a boss that bought a expandable camper shell for his 4 door Tacoma, dragging his wife from one desolate campsite after another. She quickly decided that after sleeping 3 days under the stars, she wants to sleep in 4 stars (aka- nice hotel). I have long abandoned under the stars (many moons with the Scouts) and we're both fine with that.
DeleteLast time I "slept rough" was under a cannon with nothing but a blanket. I don't do camping anymore ...
DeleteThere's a different flavor of traveling, when there is a destination anticipated, but if something on the way is more interesting, a new destination arises. My travels with my wife are not to really far away places, but we've seen things along the way that are amazing. That, and we realize even the smallest of communities, or wide spots in the road, reveal history that may seem long forgotten, but is there for examination.
ReplyDeleteExcellent point, you never know what there might be of interest in some little out of the way place.
DeleteNext time you think about going out to the west coast TO VISIT FAMILY ... plan the trip from tourist sight to tourist sight rather than "get there as soon as possible". See how it looks on paper...
ReplyDeleteIn my world the Grand Canyon is ALWAYS worth going out of your way to see, Devils Tower, Saloon #10 in Deadwood, the Custer battlefield, the cliff dwellings in the SW, Utah!, follow the Oregon trail, drive Rt 66....the possibilities are endless.
I'll need to retire just to plan the trip!
DeleteSarge, I have two travel modes - the "Point A to Point B" mode which you reference, and the "On Vacation" mode. The first is when I have to get from point A to point B in as rapid a manner as possible. The second is when I am actually on vacation instead of on a mission.
ReplyDeleteThe last two trips when my parents came out here, they drove as my father got to the point they hated flying. It made for nice three or four day drive and they got to stop at points they found interesting.
Yup, two travel modes. I need to implement that behavior!
DeleteLearning to live more intentionally and loosely is part of being retired. Have a plan, but be ready for von Clausewitz to have a say.
ReplyDeleteMy old boss said, "You can slow down and smell the roses." I found really neat places to visit in New Mexico and west Texas on the way to work sites. I saw a ham radio antenna behind a gas station once. I stopped and the sign on the door said it was a private residence, not a station. I knocked on the door and the lady that answered just repeated the sign verbatim. I said, "is there a radio operator here? I'd sure like to visit with him about what he's doing with this antenna array." We talked for five hours that night. I met a great guy and learned a lot. It was well worth the time to stop and say hey. I developed a whole host of stops on my trips and met some great folks. The Man Store in Abilene, the surplus store in Angelo...
Putting the window down and having my arm on the sill slows me down and gives me the push I need to live life a bit slower. More like my grand dad. I still dump the clutch and hammer down in life at times, but road trips are more for me-time now that I don't mind getting there when I get there.
I'll get there when I get there ...
DeleteGood words to live by.
I remember 4 guys in a VW van cruising South East Georgia, during a long weekend, in the mid 80's. The B-52's song had come out and we were trying to find the "Love Shack" by following the directions in the song. Never found the place, but, we had a blast looking.
ReplyDeleteThat sounds like a blast!
DeleteWhich you should do expeditiously, Sarge! Good trips require planning; and good plans require flexibility. Destinations are best left to the final one; enroute stops should have "primary" and "alternate" at least.
ReplyDeleteBride and I were driving from Portugal to Germany and had to leave the Autobahn ( or whatever the French call it) very early in the trip because the truck traffic was a meter ( if that) apart and we couldn't read the signs. Bashing about France on secondary roads lengthened the trip by about a day but we had a fabulous time!
Boat Guy
Ah, la belle France, there's something about that country which I am enamored of ...
DeleteMight be because a number of paternal ancestors sprang from there.
Simple travel rules. Day starts when you're comfortable driving (some like driving at night, some during the day.) Day ends when you're not comfortable driving (whether switching driver/navigator or when your butt is getting tired.) Day ends at a hotel/motel. Unload one day's travel gear, and if fatigued, take a friggin shower. Then go out to eat. Why cot before hot? Because the cot staff can steer you to a decent restaurant and it sucks trying to be comfortable eating when you're worried about places to stay. Then gas up the car.
ReplyDeleteDaily preventative maintenance should only be done in the daylight. Tires checked, windows cleaned (all of them, I mean ALL of them, trust me on this one.) Fluids checked. Car garbage eliminated. (Some will do this every pit stop. Some won't. Do it daily.)
And... if you feel tired, or don't feel like driving, take the time off. Pull over, check out the scenery or stop early for the day.
These are all rules we learned from going to Gulf Wars (SCA war between Florida and Texas held in Mississippi) and other long distance travels.
I mean, once you're retired... the only boss you really have is yourself. And The Missus of course. At least here on this earthly plane.
Bear in mind you're giving travel advice to a guy who has made multiple trips (driving) of over a thousand miles. Mind you, these are good tips, just that I knew all that already. I know how to travel, it's the "desire" to stop along the way which has always been missing.
DeleteOkay, we are making progress getting Sarge to reconsider his travel style, and sounds like we may be aligned with his tolerant spouse.
ReplyDeleteSo, up the ante a little and get the Missus herself to help pick what SHE would like to see and do on the trip. NO, not a choice between "Gettysburg or Antietam, and the tank museum or the warbird place" But, how about some of the great gardens or estates, since she seems skilled in directing your yard work. I really don't know specifics on those, but a few clicks should get you started. Or, Trip Advisor, or the AAA travel guide books (if they still have those?).
It really helps on a cross country trips to readjust your thinking from "NY to LA" into daily chunks where the destination is a certain museum, garden, battlefield, etc. Now, do some planning to make sure you will get to the destination when they are open with time to enjoy it. NOT- daylight pull chocks and arrive destination at nightfall, since the destination is where you want to DO something, not just hit the rack. Oh, and on a long trip like that, plan in flexibility, so advise hosts that your ETA is "maybe this day or that" instead of trying to hit a specific hour as with a flight.
You can pick a rough route and then choose stuff to see along that route. Or, you can pick stuff you want to enjoy, and then try to fit them into a route. The former is more satisfying for those obsessed with efficiency and time saving. The latter for those with wanderlust a higher priority than minimizing travel time. Remember, you can make more trips later. And, it is a lot of fun to take a different route to and from your target.
The AAA trip planner site is a good tool to figure routes and times. Enter a start and stop point and it will show the route on the map with distance and time. It's easy to add intermediate stops or rearrange the sequence or drop locations. You can toggle the "attractions" symbol at the top of the map to show cool stuff to consider. You can drag your route on the map to change from what they recommend. I find their travel times are about right, and I use it a lot.
I will hit 24+ states and about 12K miles by the end of the summer. I'll wave if I see you!
John Blackshoe
https://triptik.aaa.com/
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JB #1 - My butt is already tired from just thinking about all of that driving.
DeleteJB #2 - Excellent resource! Thanks!
DeleteOk, gonna back track a bit. Your Butt is tired after a couple of hours in car? When you can pull over and take a walk with virtually no problem whatsoever whenever you want?
DeleteMy friend, you have no idea. Try transiting the pacific while strapped in to an Ejection seat with virtually no room to wiggle and find a more comfortable position to sit for 18 hours. Then we'll talk.
juvat sends
Deletejuvat #1 - Now try that at 70! Believe me, I could sit a lot longer in my 20s and 30s.
Deletejuvat #2 - Knew it was you (I don't know many people who have iron-assed their way across the Pacific in an F-4.)
DeleteI think of it as different ways of being. One is primarily go to destination focused (be at the Pelican Rapids Community Center at 11 am Saturday, with wife, dressed up, pulled pork, Jack sauce, buns, cake; for first post-Covid family reunion.) Pretty much straight up I-94 to Fergus Falls. Another is journey focused on the journey. Minnesota makes giant sculptures of animals. Coming home, we went from statue to statue, or tried to. Some are easy to find, a quarter of a mile from a highway in a park. Others have been dismantled for repair, including the sign pointing to them. Challenges. The trip north, 180 miles, three hours; the trip home, fifteen hours, 300 miles.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's different goals, being done with the journey vs. enjoying the journey.
While I do like to drive, I don't really like being "on the road" for long stretches. Been there, done that. But with stops to see interesting stuff? Never done that, definitely worth a try.
DeleteHaving spent a good portion of my life as a road warrior may I suggest staying off Interstates and using the old trans continental highways? You will see things that make you want to stop and see rather than "major attraction" next exit. You won't get where you are going quickly but your memories will be more than the Class 8 trucks you are trying to get around.
ReplyDeleteMy biggest problem with that is the slowness of such travel. I will always want to get from point A to point B quickly. Just in the future it will be point A to B to C to D etc. There will be more stops along the way, but going through each and every little town is more than I can bear.
DeleteIt all started with "I want to see the Giant Prairie Chicken." Yes, dear. "And the Otter." Which? (This is really a northern Minnesota thing) Google knows. "ALL!" Ande we were off.
ReplyDeleteI doubt we'll ever go that far.
DeleteI was just about always a road less traveled kind if driver, if time permitted. Now, I’m all for seeing as much as I can. I don’t need to travel I-80 unless I’m in a rush to reach my destination. I’m thinking I could write some blog posts showing some if our zig-zagging excursions across the U.S.
ReplyDeleteProbably one of the most difficult things we’ve done is avoid Chicago.
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I think I will always be driven (pun intended) to make good time.
DeleteSkipping Chicago is a very excellent policy. Traffic always sucks, if there is rain it gets much worse. Lots of construction, rude drivers, lousy signs, toll booths, not to mention the very real threat to your safety anywhere in Crook County. If you must run across that high, time it for mid day, never rush hour.
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Went through there once in 1982. Won't do it again!
DeleteIs Easter still a holiday in France, now that the Muslims are in charge?
ReplyDeleteI admit that I am surprised Notre Dame has not been turned into a mosque during the rebuild!
Always with the negative waves Mark ...
DeleteCrusty Old TV Tech here. Ending with a Red Green quote, how appropos!
ReplyDeleteTime was I could (had to, couldn't afford more than 1 motel stop per leg) do the trip from Griffiss AFB to Barksdale AFB in 2 days. 16 hours the first, 8 hours the second. On the way South, stop in Jackson, TN. On the way north, stop in Columbus, OH. Dayton (WPAFB) was too far off the line of travel to allow saving money by using the Q. Same thing with Little Rock AFB, Millington (if they even had a Q) or Ft Campbell. Multiple times, did that trip. Even made one of them a sort of "Smokey and the Bandit" by bringing Lone Star longnecks to a thirsty crew at Griffiss AFB. I can tell you how many cases of longnecks fit in a 1982 Plymouth Turismo (6, if stowed very carefully!).
Nowadays, I've got a TOT (Time on Tuchas) limit of 2 hours. More than that, I get very grouchy. Ask the Base Commander. So, what was once a single long trip gets split into "hey, La Grange looks like a neat place to visit, let's stop there!", "hey, what about Lockhart?" sort of thing.
TOT for me is about three hours, which coincides nicely with my need to pee. (TMI?)
DeleteBut dismounting and stretching the legs is a big thing with me. I even break long flights into one or more stops.
As an alternative to flying or driving, consider taking a train. Amtrak still does have routes from RI to the west coast. I took an Amtrak 'flight' (they call it that) from GFND to Seattle for work back in 1988. Deal was if where I worked paid the fare, I'd take vacation for the four days traveling there and back. Much more relaxing. You can walk around. Train was a couple hours late. No stress like a flight delay at an airport (it's going to take almost two days anyway, so what's the rush?". You can't stop to visit local places, but you can see one whole of a lot of America from ground level (with someone else doing the driving).
ReplyDeleteI've done trains, they're all right.
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