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Saturday, May 9, 2026

Updated from 2014: Guns, Eagle Style

 


A while back (Ok, quite a while back, like 12 years or so), Murphy’s Law was pining away about how he was going to spend his lottery winnings and buy an F-86.  A worthwhile expenditure to be sure, but MSgt B joined the discussion with a comment about knowing a guy on Okinawa that had one that he used to tow targets for the F-15s. 
 
This would be that Tow Plane
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And that comment fired the synapses that bring forth this story.

So, There I was……*  I’m at Kadena having been checked out in an F-15 in the short course  at Luke AFB, 3 months and probably about 50 hours. Soloing in a jet on your first ride is thought provoking that’s for sure.  At least they save the AB takeoff until a little bit later.  Release brakes and punch it is eye opening.  Even on a hot Arizona afternoon, by the  time you’ve checked the engines, (Why?  I’m mean really, it’s quite obvious to the most casual observer they are functioning beautifully), anyhow, by the time you check the engines, you’re at rotate speed.  A small touch of the stick and you’re airborne, you keep pulling on the stick to keep the airspeed under control (yeah right) and avoid over speeding the gear.  Slap them up, and you’re still pulling back on the pole waiting for the gear light to go out.  You’re now about 45 degrees nose high and tower tells you to contact departure.  (Phoenix is a busy place airspace wise).  You’re still pulling as you contact departure and they tell you to level at 18000’.  You think, piece of cake, until you look at the altimeter.  A quick increase of the g, and your vertical climb turns into an immelman and you’re level, inverted but level, at 18000’.  You’re first cognitive thought is “Gawd, what an airplane!”
 
 
It's somewhat like this!

So, anyhow, I’m now at Kadena, been there a couple of months, deployed to Kwanju for Team Spirit, so kind of settling in.  My flight commander, in a rare turn of events, happened to be one of my students at Holloman.  He’d been an F-4 WSO and been selected for Pilot Training.  Got an F-15 as his assignment, gone through Holloman and had been at Kadena for about 2 and a half years. Pretty good guy and a decent stick. Let’s call him Jeff.  The schedule has been posted and I’ve got the first go flying on Jeff’s wing for a Dart ride.

Juvat, what is a Dart ride?  Words do not convey what a Dart Ride is.  Take all the awesomeness of flying the F-15, break out your awesomizer ray gun (you have one of those don’t you?) and run it completely out of awesomizer stuff, and you might have a description of a Dart Ride.  Ok, I might have gotten a little carried away on that.

A Dart Ride is an opportunity to take a pair of F-15 Eagles and shoot the  M-61 Vulcan 20mm 6 barrel cannon at an airborne target!  6000 rounds a minute.  A 100 rounds a second. 954 rounds on board, well, fully loaded. We get 200.

I’ve fired on the Dart before and frankly had a problem.  Coming from an Air to Ground background, I’d learned to strafe and shooting the gun in a strafe mission is different than shooting the gun on an Air to Air mission.  In a strafe mission, killing the bad guy is a good thing, but there are usually a lot of them, so keeping their heads down and disrupting their plan is also important.  So, in a strafing pass, you usually try to fire as few rounds as possible.  20 rounds or so is desirable, all on target of course.  Not so in air to air.

In Dan Hampton’s book “Lords of the Sky: Fighter Pilots and Air Combat, from the Red Baron to the F-16” (Available on Amazon, a great book, you should read it)  his description of the various aircraft includes a description of the firing rate, number of guns and weight of the round and adds a number that tells you the total amount of metal the aircraft throws at the opponent. That took me a while to learn.  Strafe, you squeezed the trigger and released, then the gun fired.  Here, you needed to squeeze until you heard the gun and then release.  You really wanted about a hundred rounds each time.  Bullet density is going to kill the target.

Jeff and I have the first flight of the day, we’ll actually take off before sunrise, so our brief starts about 0400.  We’re about ready to step to the jets, and I copy down our tail numbers.  I notice that the tail number assigned to me is the jet with my name painted on the side.  (“My jet” is not acceptable vernacular around here and calling it "The Crew Chief’s Jet" while technically true does not convey the meaning I desire.)  It is a great jet, Radar works well, it flies well, straight and true which is not always the case.  The crew chief and assistant crew chief are good at what they do and I have a good relationship with them.  Things are just falling into place.
 
This one had my name on the canopy rail and ZZ on the tail at one time! AKA "My Jet!"
 

It’s starting to get light as we start the jets and it looks like it’s going to be a beautiful day, not a cloud in the sky, light winds, and good visibility.  We’re in the arming area, with the gun safety pin and warning  flag showing, telling the arming crew that we’re going shooting. On more normal missions, the safety pin is inserted inside the gun door, so doesn't interfere with flight.  Guns hot, master arm switch triple checked off,  we take the runway.
 
Departure from Kadena was easy.  Take off, put the gear up, turn toward your assigned airspace and once over water, cleared all altitudes.  We’re taking off about 10 minutes ahead of our target as we have to perform the safety check and make sure there are no surface vessels in the area.  Typically, we would climb to a medium high altitude ~25000’ or so, but not today. 

Today, as soon as we get feet wet, Jeff sends me out to tactical spread formation, about 9000’ line abreast and with an altitude split of a couple thousand feet.  I move out and start to climb a bit, but he’s pushing over and levels off at about 500’.  In a low level situation, the wingman does not take an altitude separation so as to not highlight the formation, so I level off with Jeff on the Horizon.  I notice that Jeff has not pulled the power back either, we’re still in military power, so the ocean is passing by at a great rate.

We’re approaching the eastern edge of the operating area, the sun is beginning its climb and we hear the target check in on the frequency.  Today, we’re not using any GCI, to help us with the intercept, we’ll be relying on our own  radar to handle that.  Jeff has briefed that first radar contact will run the intercept and first visual gets first shot.  Not all flight leads are that lenient. 

The target calls that he’s in the area and we are cleared to turn hot.  Still headed east, I notice Jeff’s burner’s light.  This is not hard, as it is still dark enough to see the bright white streak coming out of the back of his jet.  I light mine and am instantly through the Mach.  I watch Jeff begin to pull and I match him in a gigantic accelerating immelman, rolling out headed west at 38000’.  I glance at the radar and have a contact about 70 miles on the nose, check the squawk and it’s our target.  I get to run the intercept.

He’s at 20k and as we get to about 40 mile range, I get the "Reno" (I've got a target formation breakout on my radar) on the actual thing we’re going to shoot, the dart about 1500’ in trail of the F-86.  That’s a great advantage, since when we get to lockon range, I can lockon to the actual target and the target box on my Heads Up Display will appear over it instead of the F-86.


 
 
We’re still in the high 30’s when we get to lockon range.  I lock and my jet’s systems are spot on.  I catch a flash of sunlight off the dart and can make out the F-86 also.  I call visual, Jeff and the target call No Joy.  I talk Jeff’s eyes on the target and am starting my vertical conversion and tell the target to start the turn and look up.  I pop a flare.  (We can’t shoot unless he sees us)  All have a tally and we’re cleared hot.  
 
Master arm hot.  Finger off the trigger (Rule 3 applies).  I’m now almost vertical in my dive and he’s slightly off the right side of my nose.  He’s got two choices, turn into me, which would put him on Jeff’s nose or turn away from me, putting him on my nose.  At this point it really doesn’t matter, I am pulling lead by rolling the jet and he can’t deny me turning room as I’m well above him.  He turns away from me, I make a small roll to establish lead and begin the pull out of the dive as I close the range.

The pipper is settling down and the range is closing rapidly, I’m in gun range ~2500’, but pause.  I’d been making that mistake before, and didn't intend to make it again.  1500’, one last check of master arm.  It’s hot, finger on the trigger. 1200’ Squeeze and hold.  The pipper is dead steady as I hear the Gun fire.  Release the trigger and pull on the stick, still have a lot of overtake, so immediately roll to keep the target it sight.  Look back high to find Jeff and prepare to reattack when out of the corner of my eye, I see an amazing array of flashes.  The target had disintegrated and all the tinfoil parts were fluttering in the sunlight like little mirrors as they made their way to the ocean. 

Tow pilot calls “knock it off”, and we clear out of the way.  Without the aerodynamics of the dart to stabilize the cable, he needs to jettison it quickly before it has a chance to do anything bad.  He lets it go, and we head home.  Jeff does a quick battle damage check of me,  nothing, and because it’s required, I do one on him.  Not surprisingly, he’s fine. 

I, however, am higher than a kite.  I’m ready to take on anybody and everybody.  We pitch out, land, dearm and debrief the jets with maintenance.  Pull the VCR Tape and invite the crew chief and assistant to the flight debrief to watch some “really cool S**t!”.  Walking back to the Squadron, Jeff tells me I owe him a beer since he didn't get to shoot, but , he says, “I just wanted to do that once with someone who didn't start in an Eagle, someone who might recognize just how much better this jet is than anything flying.  Guess I did!”

*What's the difference between a fairy tale and a war story, a fairy tale begins "once upon a time.  A war story begins "so, there I was".

16 comments:

  1. Good to read a war story from someone who was there and did that juvat. Makes me wonder how the current crop of pilots view their steeds, the F-22, F-35 , and f-16. Today's post tells us how you felt about the F-15........:)

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    1. Nylon, I know next to nothing about the avionics of the first two, but unless there gun has some form of auto aiming capability the process should be much the same. AMRAAM and Heat seekers (or whatever air to air missiles they carry now) would be much more sophisticated and therefore deadly. I wouldn’t want to get into a real fight with them.
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  2. Aerial gunnery is a most valuable capability, but dependent on the aircraft, gun, ammo and pilot all doing their bit. Missiles are wonderful too, but the gun is something to be included in the package if at all possible. Not bolted on external baggage, but part of the plane from the start. (Think A-10, the plane built around the gun, both incomparably good at their mission!)

    During WW2 the U.S. made about 100,000 fighter planes (and another 100,000 bombers and another 100, other types). The sole mission of those fighters was to take a bunch of Browning machine guns aloft and fire them at people and planes who "just needed killin." Brave pilots, wonderful aircraft designers and riveters to make the planes, and thousands of anonymous folks churning out billions of bullets to run thru machine guns made by companies which mostly had no prior gunmaking experience. "I love it when a plan comes together..." pretty well sums up the results. Those same .50 caliber Brownings are still used today with only minor improvements over the originals made 105 years ago, albeit largely replaced as aerial guns by 20mm Gatling types.

    But, the pilot is the guy who makes it all happen, or perhaps is the person who can eff it all up at the last minute.

    Great story, Juvat!
    John Blackshoe

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    1. Well, When I first got into the Eagle, I had a bit of a problem with Air to Air gunnery, As I kinda mentioned above, Air to Air techniques are significantly different than Air to Ground which was all the Gun practice I'd had. Once I got the hang of it, primarily on the ride I described above, I had no further difficulties. In fact when I became a flight lead, I would tend to say "no Joy" as we approached the tow plane. My wingman would get the first shot then. If he had hits, I could come in and kill the target, assuming my gunnery skills were up to par that day. That would generally up the wingman's confidence level, something very (very, very) important to a fighter pilot.
      Thanks
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  3. Wow Juvat! I do not think I have read anything like this before. Thanks for sharing! I can see where the rush comes from.

    Question for the uninitiated: exactly how far in front of the "target" is the tow plane? I can see where an off shot could create an unfortunate situation.

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    1. THBB,
      I'm not sure, it's been a while. But I think it was at least 1500', probably more like 2 grand. When we attacked we always came from the side the tow pilot was turning in to. Since we're shooting from the inside of the circle, and the bullets fly in a straight path, they would all pass behind him. I heard a story back then about a new guy who overshot the circle, pulled his nose back into lead and squeezed out a short burst, At the first twinkle the tow pilot saw from the gun and his position, he started a real life gun jink. Fortunately, no one was hurt. Well until he got called into the Squadron CO's office where his flight lead and the tow pilot were also.
      His butt was considerably smaller after they got through with him.
      The bullets are not explosive, as they would be in combat, but, would still kill you if hit.
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  4. Enjoyed the saga and as someone who has only ridden as a passenger I'm always amazed at what pilots can do with a plane. But what tickled me was when you referred to an immelman. I'm reading a sci fi book right now and the main character is a pilot who decided to make that move. Had to stop and look up the word just last night. Love your stories.

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    1. Anonymous,
      The immelman is a fun maneuver, but is not really a valid tactic in Air to Air. First since your going above the horizon, your radar return isn't obscured at all, Doing a split S (with enough altitude) at least makes the bad guy's radar to look at you AND the earth. Second, as you'll be going straight up, your airspeed (the source of energy that allows you to turn or even fly) rapidly goes away. So, not generally a valid tactic.
      Now back in the days of machine guns and biplanes it might have been more successful. I don't know, I'm not that old! ;-)
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  5. "...a fairy tale begins "once upon a time. A war story begins "so, there I was"."
    As opposed to a sea story, which begins "This ain't no---" uh, I forget the noun we used.
    --Tennessee Budd

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    1. TB,
      I believe the polite term is Fecal Matter. At least it is in the Modern Day Air Force, I don't believe it was EXACTLY the same in my Day and probably yours.
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  6. I have justy read some F-18 hotshot disabled Iranian tanker with 20mm strafing run - so the skills are still relevant in 2026!

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    1. Pawel,
      Well...6000 rounds a minute is the firing rate (I think the full load is around 1000 rounds), so you've got about 10 seconds of trigger down time. So, in answer to your question, yes firing the gun is still a skill to be maintained as it is carried in the F-22 and, I think, the F-35.
      Plus, in peace time, it's fun to shoot.
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    2. I think F-35 got a slightly different gun , but it is still a gun, so all the ballistics skills apply
      checked out, here is the gun:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-12_Equalizer#GAU-22/A

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    3. Pawel,
      Thanks. It is a bit different, only 4 barrels and limited to 3,300 rounds per minute. Gunfighting is not a welcome task for the F-35. Getting in, dropping bombs and getting out, all unseen is their preferred tactic. There’s an old saying that I can’t find now. “Why do you carry a gun.” “So the bad guys don’t come at me quite so fast”
      That’s probably not the exact verbiage, but the idea is the same.
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    4. F-35 is in bad situation if it is in a gunfight with enemy fighter, since it means it is both bereft of stealth advantage and out of missiles, but it is far better than same situation without gun...

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    5. Pawel,
      ANY aircraft is in dire straits if he needs to resort to a gun in air to air. That old saying "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to NEED a gun and not have one" is very true!
      Thanks, Pawel!
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