Monday, May 22, 2023

...and Master of None!

 Well...This has been an extraordinarily educational week for myself.  Lots of lessons learned, mostly the hard way.  But, those are the ones that are hardest to forget also.  So...I got that going for me.

What lessons are those, juvat?

Well, Mrs. J asked for my assistance in installing a drip irrigation for her plants.  The Lady has quite the green thumb.  Not only does she do well with flowering plants....

Lantana
But also vegetables and herbs. 
Anaheim Peppers, the Poblanos are in the background
 

The reason she wanted the irrigation system is summer is nigh and we have several "events" scheduled over the next several weeks where we will be out of pocket for a couple of days or more.  One of those we'll be discussing later in this missive.  But, in any case, she wanted something to insure the plants would be watered.  That task will be called "Plumbing".  

We went to the Big Box Store (BBS) and bought all the accoutrements we thought we'd need, RTB'd and began construction.  One of the first lessons learned is there's a difference between "Pipe Threading" and "Hose Threading".   

Yes, Beans that's the "Pet-tio" and the Doggie door AKA "The Pet's Bathroom".

 

So...First return trip to BBS for a hose threaded pressure fitting.  Got a little further on in the project and realized we had miscounted how many 90 degree connectors we'd need.  

Second return trip to BBS.

Finally, got it all connected and time for the big debut.



Yes, Sarge the diagonal white line from the center of the picture to the top left is water.

Third trip to the BBS.

At that point, we're out of time as we are leaving for CStat the following morning.  Called my Sister and added "Watering plants" to "Feeding the Animals" on her caretaker list of To Do's.

So...Add Plumber to the list of skill sets I wish I had mastered but have not.

The morning after our arrival at CStat, we started the kitchen project for MBD and The Rev's new house bright and early at 1PM.  Unfortunately, one of the other skill sets I wish I had but don't is "Doctor"

MG was feeling quite under the weather and ended up visiting the ER at around Midnight one evening.  Thankfully, there were fully trained medical personnel there and she is on the road to recovery now (4 days later).  But getting on track to work the house project took a bit longer than expected.

But we did manage to get started.  I was confident that "Painter" was one of my actual skill sets having done so during summers to pay for college.. Unfortunately, whilst on a ladder later in the week, I came to the realization that I'd done that in 1973.  Beans, before you take off your shoes, that was 50 years ago almost to the day.  A lot of things have changed since then, primarily my Back and Knees.

At that point, we also discovered the difference between "Fleeting Glance" and "Intense Deliberation".  On the first look at the project requirements, my assessment was "No big deal, just a bit of painting."


 Foolish, Foolish, me.  As I started to remove the drawer and cabinet handles in prep for painting, MBD decided to count them so we'd know how many we had or would need if she decided on new ones.

Who knew there would be 87?

Well, No big deal, they just unscrew.  Let's get started.


  Except several of them didn't "just unscrew" and required drilling out the bolt.  This slowed down the expected progress somewhat.

So...Add Cabinet Maker to the list of Skills I have not!

MBD had decided she wanted a lighter, brighter kitchen than was currently in the house and her friend, the interior designer, had recommended a couple of shades of white.  One for the cabinets, one for the walls.  Off to the BBS to pick up samples.  Applied the samples to the appropriate areas and Voila'.

This Eagle-Eyed Father could NOT detect a difference in the colors.  Saying nothing about that deficiency to my Daughter, I was relieved/irked when she asked if I'd used the same paint on both areas

At that point, my advisory staff, Mrs. J and MBD, went into a conference and came out later with a request for a color change.  Off to the BBS, I went.  Found out the BBS I had been visiting had none in stock.  But...It was on the truck and would be delivered in the next few days.

RIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTT!

Off to another of the BBS, all the way across town, and picked up the paint.  We are now at the end of the next to the last day of the planned excursion.  

The following day, we get to work and start "cutting in" the cabinetry.  Did you know that 87 cabinets and drawers have a lot of angles, hinges, edges etc that need to be addressed before painting with a roller can be accomplished?

The spots above the cabinets are the two "different" paints.

I did.  

So...Guess what?

I get to make a return trip to CStat next week.  By myself.  (Mrs. J, LJW and Miss B have a few Doctors visits to make next week.)

On RTB, our transit of Moscow on the Colorado involved the usual pain. So, on arrival at Ranch Juvat, we decide to have a relaxing glass of wine (or three) on our front porch that evening.


 Ahh...relaxation.  Mrs. J comments that the forecast over the next few hours will be severe thunderstorms.  The astute, educated, experienced Fighter Pilot says "Nah, it's going to miss us to the North."

I think she managed to get a few excellent pictures of the storm before it hit us, don't you? Left another 2" of rain on the property.  My Hay Guy needs to stop by soon.

Lastly, I've been working on my Friend's Retirement gift and had been making excellent progress on the mechanical pencil.  Everything was going well.


 I mean, look at the right part.  Notice, no difference between the bushing and the pen blank.  Woohoo!  Learned my lesson.

Well, juvat, you learned that lesson, here's another.

One must make sure that the entire tube is covered with glue when inserted into the pen blank.  Else...


 

Well, crap!  Good thing I started this project early.  "Wood Turner" has yet to be an awarded title for me.

So...I learned a lot of lessons this past week on what I am not.

I'm not a Plumber, Doctor, Cabinet Maker, Painter, Weatherman nor Wood Turner.

But I'm also not a Quitter.

Never Give Up, Never Surrender!




Now...If I only had an Omega 13!!!

 

Peace out, Y'all!







 


54 comments:

  1. "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer".

    Or maybe "Never bored".

    Remember a little rest and fishing for yourself, friend.

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    1. Michael,
      Good advice to keep in mind, although, this past week, "the difficult" and "immediately" were not in the same sector of the galaxy. I have high hopes for this week though.
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  2. Lots of Job Titles to keep Life from becoming routine, looks like parttime Weather Forecaster....Guesser might want to be kept down low on the list however........ :) Good to see MG responding to treatment. Ah, the retired life eh juvat.

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    1. Nylon,
      I'm actually/usually pretty good at weather guessing. Just got unlucky with that one, although it might just be the "Big Guy" keeping me humble.
      Or both.
      Re: the retired life. Been at it 3 years now and still haven't quite gotten used to it. Like it, just not used to its differences than the previous 50 years or so.
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  3. I remember working my way through college (a Calif State College), you could actually do that in the early 70s... I just looked, you need over $8,000 just for a year's tuition today.
    But student loans are easy to get I hear....

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    1. Rob,
      Yeah, that is disconcerting. I thought putting my two through ten and fifteen years ago was bad, but today... Not sure how MG and MissB are going to do it. The Lottery maybe.
      juvat

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  4. The vegetable garden has weep irrigation and we have an unfinished research project to find which programmable water valve timer we will be buying.
    Painting. I don't paint. All of my previous painting experiences prior to marriage where as an enlisted sailor, and the painting technique of dipping the roller into the five gallon bucket of paint and applying the paint as fast as you can so that you can go on liberty did not work out on the home front.
    The Hot Chick paints and I am apparently enough of an all around mechanic and craftsman to make up for the painting thing.
    As you stated, perseverance is a really big positive factor.

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    1. JiP,
      Yeah, with the exception of that one dripper pictured, the lines themselves were not problem. Getting the timer set up is the long pole in the tent, still. I can't get a good seal on the connection of the timer to the house spigot, no matter what I've tried so far, it still drips. Then we get into the programming of the device. There doesn't seem to be a logic to it. Various buttons seem to have different functions depending on the order they are pushed. To say it's a bit frustrating would be the most profound understatement in the history of mankind. If I didn't want to leave home every once in a while, I'd say the heck with it and water the plants myself.
      But that's just me...being kind.
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    2. You need... a $0.50 hose washer. Goes into the female end of the hose that connects to the faucet. And then put that pipe tape stuff on the faucet section. Twist the hose fitting till it makes a secure fit. That should do it.

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    3. Oh, yeah, if you aren't near a hardware store (I prefer Ace type stores for this, as they actually tend to have people who know what they're talking about) you can order the washers from Amazon. Usually comes in a sheet of 6 or 12. Which you can use to replace all the old nasty hose washers around your place.

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    4. Beans #1,
      I'll give that a shot, there was a washer in the hose and we did use plumber's tape, but they could be bad. For $.50? Heck a soda costs more than that!
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    5. Beans #2,
      We're 15 miles from the Blue BBS and 17 from the Orange one. I visit the Blue one frequently (Blue is my favorite color for some reason or another), they know me. Had an interesting experience there during one of my trips there last week. Mrs. J and I were trying to find a part. One of the employees came up and asked us if we needed help. We told him what we needed and what was happening. He took us to a different aisle handed us a couple of PVC thingees (official plumber vernacular), then asked us a bunch of questions about what we were trying to do. We told him and he gave us several more tips/ideas. We thanked him and I asked if he'd picked this up working at the store. He said "Heck no, I'm a licensed plumber. I just moved here and took the job until I can find a plumbing job I want." I asked him were he'd moved from. "California". I said "Welcome, You'll fit in here well."
      My immigration philosophy has been for quite some time, "We welcome refugees, not missionaries." (I recently added "legal" to refugees for some reason.)

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    6. For when one's plumbing skills and patience are at an end, purchasing a tube of silicone bathtub calking works wonder. You may never get the connection apart again, but it doesn't leak (also works on sink plumbing among other things).

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    7. Don,
      I actually have a tube of that in my traveling tool kit. May have to think through the ramifications of using that on an outside faucet though. Thanks.

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    8. Good on ya for finding someone who could answer the questions.

      Good on him for being a legal refugee and not a missionary. From what I've heard, seemingly the only ones left in the Trades in California are illegals and incompetents.

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    9. Beans,
      Well, I'd rather be lucky than good.
      As to that state out west, if I could get my favorite Aunt and Uncle to move out, I would cease any interest whatsoever in the future of that state. The populace made their pig sty, they should live in it rather than migrate and try to make everywhere else one.
      AKA missionaries.
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    10. Beans! We are up and running dripping where we're supposed to and not where we're not. The hose washers were a significant part of that success as was a flexible connecting piece of hose about 6" long recommended by my new Lowe's Plumber friend. Grand total of $8 and change. Thanks to all y'all for the advice.
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  5. Crusty Old TV Tech here. Painting? Yeah, it can be a royal PITA, but for my taste, sheet rocking is the real soul-sucking, buzz-killing bottom. You're never quite finished mudding and sanding and mudding and sanding...

    The number of trips to the BBS on any one job are proportional to the product of job complexity and (time to complete) squared!

    Ah, plumbing! Memorial Day weekend, I will be digging near the meter box to see why my service line has decided (again) to start a slow wee-wee action into the street. I guess even 3/4" copper reaches end of life sometime.

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    1. COTT,
      Never done sheet rocking and from your description, hope I never do!

      I think your math is a little optimistic. At least for me, squared isn't clost, power of ten is a tad more accurate. Just sayin'

      May you have better luck on your plumbing project than I, my friend!

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    2. I agree, the drywall/sheetrock is the worst.

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    3. FF,
      Well that's two strong votes for me employing the reach in my back pocket method of installing sheetrock.
      Thanks
      juvat

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    4. Carrying and handing a 4x8 board of sheetrock is a miserable job in itself, let alone trying to maneuver it into position single-handed.

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    5. Don,
      Haven't tried moving sheetrock, but a 4X8 of 3/4" plywood isn't a cakewalk either, so have a POV on the sheetrock problem.

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    6. For those who need to know, you can make a sheet carrier out of scrap plywood, or buy one for a reasonable price.

      Sheetrocking isn't bad as long as it isn't above shoulder height. Anything above that is worth going to Horrible Fright and buying a sheet-rock lifterholderthingy.

      I don't mind sheetrocking. It's much better than roof repairing. Which I've also done. And much better than main-line plumbing repair, which I have also done. Something about that last one made it a shitty job if you know what I mean.

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    7. Beans,
      I'll bow to your better experience/judgement. However....Think that's still going to be a project that I reach into my back pocket for the tools.
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  6. "Farm living is the life for me!!!!" Until it is.... Trimming hooves, curry combing, hay bailing, never ending chore list.... You are there my friend. I bump into those crazy NPT, MPS, MHT, FHT, mostly result in a loud SHT from me and elevated BP. Check that the washer is sealing on the female part of the timer. It may have fallen out, gotten hard or is just unable. I usually buy a stack of hose washers at the first of the year. I have several stashed away in locations I'll never find after using a couple. I bet I have fifty of them around here somewhere.

    Those road trips are beastly. Especially through Sodom by the river. And heading off to paint? Maybe swing by Huntsville for a "motel room" for some R&R as well.

    "No Quitter" is my patron saint. He never finished a project without bloodshed and sweat. T'was a plucky fellow. I think that's why I like this place. We're all from that same tribe.

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    1. Anon,
      Thanks for the washer advice. Haven't been to the BBS yet (today), now I've got an excuse. ;-)

      Agreed about road trips. Will skip the stop-off in Huntsville as I do have a Granddaughter I get to see.

      Yep, Sarge's tribe are good peeps.
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  7. Dang! If I was that busy at the daytime gig I would've retired already!

    Don't know how you do it, not sure I want to know.

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    1. Sarge,
      Were I you, I'd start using the daytime gig to get in shape for retirement. I've met your wife. She and mine are birds of a feather. Both keep their bed warmer on a very short leash.
      I'm not sure how I do it either. Divine intervention I suppose.
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  8. Juvat, nothing but sympathy. I, too, have been installing drip irrigation in the garden. I am now up to trip Number 4 to the local BBS for more supplies. Latest discovery: Water pressure through a 1/2" line is a lot better than pressure through a 1/4" line. Maybe I am at the end? I have the timer in house, so that is the next step.

    I am an okay painter, but have been specifically requested not to choose paint colors. Like you, I have a "not very discerning" eye between shades of, say, pink and pink.

    The storm pictures are very impressive.

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    1. THBB,
      With the exception of that one leak, the watering part went smoothly. The real problems started when we tried adding the timer. If you get your's working, well...I may come seeking your guidance.
      Yes those pictures were impressive, so was the storm ;-)
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    2. At work, our engineer never grasped the intricacies of 'pressure drop' either (more potential flow is better). Use a larger line to get close, then branch to smaller lines. Do not run the whole works with the small line. I did design 1" diameter sampling probes to extend 3' into a 1200+C (2200F) furnace. Constructed with a careful choice of odd thin wall stainless steel tubing (ss does not transfer heat well) to ensure the inlet and outlet flow areas were approximately equal. With outside exposed to the furnace and inside pulling hot sample gas down the middle. Never had the exit water temperature more than a few degrees above the inlet. But I had to add a half-inch insulation annulus around the probe to keep it from sucking too much heat out of the furnace.

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    3. Don,
      So as I try to translate engineer-ese into fighter pilot-ese. I think you're saying use bigger tubes as far as possible before transitioning to smaller tubes. Ok... Not a criticism, but an acknowledgement of a different school of engineering. The last few sentences went WAY above my head. I appreciate the "head nod" in the proper direction.

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    4. Anonymous, my apologies for posting the last few sentences (I was a chemist, not an engineer, and raised on a farm [of the practical school]). Basically, the longer the hose, the more wall friction retards the water (or air) flow moving through it (pressure drop). The same thing happens through a small diameter valve (flow restriction). If the far end is plugged, the pressure will rise to the water main pressure. As soon as the end is opened, the pressure drops. The gist of the last few sentences was that in a closed loop, you have to take as much out as you put in (like with room heat ducts and air returns)

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    5. Don,
      No offense intended, but...Engineers/Chemists speak a different English than us mere mortals comprehend. I respect that, I was schooled in destroying things, not building things (except woodwork projects). That having been said, I'm really glad there are people like you around otherwise, people like me would still be living in caves and pondering the wonders of fire (and pooping outdoors). Love ya' Bud!
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    6. Anonymous, No chemist I know has not played with explosive stuff (thermite, nitrogen triiodide and worse). A change from handling chemicals labeled 'noxious, toxic and corrosive' and 'the physiological effects of this chemical have not been tested'. But we were just wannabes in college lab. You flew a real Bird.

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  9. No plumbling job is complete without at least three trips, yes THREE trips, count 'em : 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 trips to the supply center. Be sure to pick up extra fittings because at least one will leak.

    I had my own recent set of expeditions to plumbing supply outlets. About 0730 I begin Small Project. "Hmmm...looks to be about half inch" go get fitting. Get home...doesn't fit. Too small. Cut a wee bit off the plastic pipe. Take it to BBS, ask for help (yes, ladies, a guy actually asking for help), Happy To Assist Person HTAP) looks at it, hands me a fitting with the comforting words, "This is what you need!' I happily (HAH!) pay for fitting and try to instal it. Try to instal spare (see above paragraph), doesn't fit. RTBBS to again chat with HTAP. "Is this for a mobile home?" I'm asked. Well, yes. "OH! We don't have any plumbing parts for those because they use (archain letter set that may summon demons)." Return parts for refund, drive home. Fire up computer and 7 calls later find Plumbing Supply House (PSH) that carries needed parts. SWMBO and I pile into car and with much joy drive to PSH. Weave our way through powered lift trucks, yard workers, and professional plumbers' vans to parking spot and I enter the store. At counter I hand Counter Help the snippet of plastic pipe and say "I need a cap for this." He looks it up on his computer and with a mumbled "Be right back" disappears into the cavernous warehouse. About five minutes pass. He returns with the requested 2 parts. He takes the snippet of pipe and does a press check. I take it and do the same. "On the house, not worth writing up." Get home, sand pipe, apply purple primer to pipe and fitting. Apply cement to pipe and fitting. Assemble fitting to pipe. Wait half an hour and have SWMBO turn on water supply. Watch closely. No leaks. By now it's pushing 1500 and lunch plans have gone the way of all plans when the enemy is met. Lunch/dinner ends up as Pappa Murphy's Pizza (regular crust, white sauce, spinach, green onions, feta, and olives, no topping cheese).

    The joys of DIY.

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    1. There are no small "diy" plumbing jobs, that's a fact of life!

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    2. Joe,
      Sounds like you got the right guy. Lucky you! Glad things worked out...AND you made the requisite number of trips to the Big Box Store! Good story!
      juvat

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    3. Rob,
      True Dat!
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  10. I am seriously trying not to chuckle reading about your plumbing lessons! Been there, done that, got the T-shirt! I've been through several self-inflicted disasters so reading your post made me smile in sympathy... :-)
    Ref college costs; like you, I worked my way through college and just stare in disbelief at today's costs for tuition. I remember being aghast when Texas doubled college tuition rates from $4/credit-hour to $8/credit-hour! Yeah, it's been a few years.
    Gotta brag here...grandson (SSgt Tyler Jackson) is the crew chief on the Wing Commander's F-15 (Spirit of Goldsboro) at Seymour Johnson AFB. Seems the Air Combat Commander, GEN Mark Kelly, just took his last flight before retirement in that F-15. After landing, the general graciously took the time to visit with Tyler and his subordinates and coined him with a 4-Star commander's coin. I'm thinking, "Dang! Tyler is never going to have to buy beer again when folks start throwing their challenge coins down on the bar." :-)
    - Barry

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    1. Barry,
      They give out T-Shirts? Where do I pick up mine? ;-)
      Well done for your Grandson! I think you're right about buying beer. All my coins put together wouldn't top that one.
      Thanks
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  11. Spent a summer between high school and college as a perfeshunal painter. Sucked. Florida, summer, sucked. But I got to use all the fun tools, like the powered paint sprayer that can shoot paint through your arm or hand, the powered sanders that produce enough fine dust to cause black lung, enough chemicals to kill about half of one's brain cells and so forth and so on.

    Never again. Professional, that is.

    I actually enjoy house painting, as long as not too many things go wrong.

    As to shades, I am one of those proponents of 'off white semi gloss or flat' or nothing. White. Lots of white. Pretty pretty white. Takes less lighting, and you don't have to worry about matching furniture and rugs and curtains and all that fiddly bits to the shade of whatever you have on your walls.

    As to the kitchen shown in your photo? Double range and double ovens? Daaaaaammmmmmmmnnnnnn. That's almost my dream kitchen. Seriously, if I got bigly money, I'd have a nice bedroom, really nice handicapped accessible bath, another bedroom or two (one for guns, one for books) and a dry pantry room (for a years' worth of dry and canned goods) and a storage room for the kitchen not-food stuff and a wet pantry and a separate 'summer kitchen' with gas appliances that can be sealed off from the rest of the house and a laundry room and...

    A guy can dream, right?

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    1. When the General Contractor stopped by to look at the place and talk to The Rev and MBD, he stepped into the kitchen and said "Well...THIS is what sold the house!"
      The kitchen is way bigger than it looks in the pics. I think I could have thrown a Squadron Party and entertain everybody in the kitchen. The rest of the house is ok, not great. However, I love that kitchen!
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    2. I've seen smaller cooking areas in church social halls. Or at some boy scout camps.

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    3. Beans,
      Me also.
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    4. Beans, you beat me to the awesome reaction to the range. No gas, first of all, here in the condo. 150 AMP circuit to my receptacles, so no real cooking with that. I did buy a sous-vide outfit and a plumber's torch. Can get a reasonable steak using that combo.

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    5. Oh WOW, here I am again. Anonymous sometimes, LtFuzz on occasion and D4 most of the rest of the time. Anyway, that's me with the sous-vide machine. Go figure.

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    6. Anon/LtFuzz,
      Cooking with a plumber's torch? Are you actually the person Leroy Jethro Gibbs is based on? Seriously, gotta love Blogger...or NOT!

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  12. I installed a drip irrigation system using parts from the Blue BBS. I used some non-standard 1/2" fittings which are about 1/4 the cost of the specialty fittings. I have had a few hose fitting separations over the few years I have been using the system. I also have had some of the 1/4" line fittings and hose separate. Those just seem to happen randomly even with them being put together properly.

    Retirement is as busy as being employed. Actually, being employed was easier. The honey-do list is never ending with no excuses like having to go to work. Your skill set will improve.

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  13. BillB,
    Yeah, once I get this thing figured out, I'll build a stockpile of spare parts. Right now, the life expectancy of spare parts is measured in seconds.

    Agree about retirement and the "no excuses". Fortunately, Mrs. J is generous with "Shop Time" which helps with the sanity.

    As to skill set improving...Well, I certainly hope so!

    Thanks,
    juvat

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  14. After working my way through college in the early 60's, I put 4 through. The picture in my mind after no. 4 was a guy standing at a graduation with his front pockets turned inside out and having a hysterical laugh/celebration. One of the 4 made it through Washington on the Brazos (Texas A&M) back in the early 90's with my eldest Grandson following in his Uncle's footsteps starting in the fall. In addition to the Aggie, managed to turn out one Horned Frog and two from Pecker Tech (Lamar U in East Texas) my almae matres.
    Regarding irrigation system timers, we have a Hunter which handles 4 different outlets, with day of the week & time selection. Water supply is piped in ahead of the house water softener and is used to water garden and flower beds. Since we live on a hill don't have worry about irrigating grass as Mother Nature displaced it with plenty of rock.
    One side note regarding the wonderful rain Juvat mentioned. We are now less than 2 inches total year to day rainfall below our 14" total in 2022. Hay field is in great shape, wild life are looking well, and life is good!
    Cletus

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    1. Cletus,
      We started putting money away for college as soon as each of our two kids were born. Both graduated debt free. IMHO, that's a huge step in them getting off on their careers in the right direction. Not sure there's enough money in the world to pay for the two grandkids though. Course, I'm also not sure that a college education is as important or useful as it used to be. More's the pity.
      Soon as I get Mrs. J, LJW and Miss B headed off to San Antonio for their next DR appt, I'm off to the BBS for some washers and other things that my advisors have recommended for my issue. Also going to see if my plumber friend is working today to see if he's got any advice on the controller.
      Was that a spectacular T-storm the other night or WHAT? Glad there wasn't hail though.
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