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Or maybe they got stuck there and had to suffer the consequences of living under Communism. I wasn't sure which way to go, so with the end of the war, we arrived at the end of the story as well. Of course, though the war ended, the survivors' lives went on. Much like the story. I might revisit those characters in the future. We shall see.
As to what's next, I really don't know.
While looking for photographic inspiration I ran across that photo above from the National Archives. Two Marines on Peleliu, no doubt wondering "What's next?"
The Marine on the left looks young, but he's seen the elephant¹ and he will never be the same again. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on many things. Combat affects different people in different ways, but it leaves its mark.
The Marine on the right looks like he's seen it all before, this ain't his first rodeo. But like the Marine sitting next to him, his life has changed, forever.
Why this photo from the Pacific war you might ask, will we see a story set in the Pacific? I really don't know. It's tempting. I'm far more comfortable writing about the ETO. I lived in Germany for over seven years, I used to speak the language (I still do but damn my German is rusty), and I had good German friends and neighbors. Although I'm not Volksdeutsch, a lot of people who know me think I am. I guess that's what happens when you immerse yourself in a culture/history/language.
I'm also comfortable writing about historical events in the American past. I have dabbled with the Unpleasantness of 1861 - 1865 but that event still evokes strong emotions among my countrymen. So for now, I'm shying away from that subject, but my perverse nature will probably draw me back that way. Especially as I am nearing completing the reading of Shelby Foote's magnificent three-volume history of that war. Simply brilliant and very readable. If you have any interest in that war, read it. It's damned good. It's history and it's very well-written.
That being said ...
I'd write more on the Napoleonic Wars but there seems to be limited interest in such a thing. Why do I say that? Well, the page hits for those stories aren't that great. While I don't write to get page hits, I do like knowing that there's enough interest there to keep writing. We'll see. I don't get paid to do this, the fact that many folks are reading is my paycheck, so to speak.
Now what was that all about? I like to write from both (or multiple) points of view. Though the recent vignette was exclusively German, I have written from both sides. To do that, you have to understand both sides.
Which is where I stumble when it comes to the Pacific war. I don't really understand the Japanese. What makes them tick? Why was their behavior in that war so appalling? How does a military force exhibit such amazing bravery and such cruelty all at once? If I was to write a story of the Pacific war, it might be rather one-sided. Though I'd be tempted to write of the Japanese side, I'm not sure I could do that accurately and fairly. I admire the Japanese but I don't "get them." (No matter how many times I read Shogun.)
So that's where I'm at.
If any of y'all have any ideas, let me know in the comments.
I'm still rather shaken at juvat's recent mishap. Another reminder that time is moving, perhaps faster than I can handle it. I've had a few friends and acquaintances pass away recently and it's jarring. Getting old ain't for sissies.
When I posted the link to that post on the Book of Faces, a number of folks thought it was I who had crashed. Apparently juvat in a neck brace looks enough like me to confuse folks. There are also a number of my friends on the Book of Faces who don't always read the blog, not real fans I guess. I get it, you see a picture, under my name let's say, and think, "OMG, what has Sarge done now?" Dinnae panic, I'm fine, but juvat could use a prayer or two. So if you're the praying kind, toss a few his way (and Mrs. J as well, she's responsible for juvat's care and feeding as his significant other).
Speaking of significant others, mine has returned from the Land of the Morning Calm.
And it's very pleased I am.
Be seeing you.
¹ An expression which I believe originated in the Mexican War.

Sarge, thanks for the kind comments. Just had my swabdown . Going into surgery shortly.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to the next story, you tell them so well.
juvat
Prayers up for fast and complete healing!
DeleteDitto what Sarge said. Hope Juvat will keep us updated in comments. He had a daunting list of challenges before the accident, and that list is getting larger with fewer options. Well, he and Mrs. J and family will sort out what is important and git r done.
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He does indeed.
DeletePrayers up! You do your part for getting well! Oh, and avoid rapid, ballistic, stops every chance you get. I can talk, I've had more than my fair share of them. They USUALLY take one down a peg or four. At 74, I'm running out of pegs.
DeleteJuvat is a fighter.
DeleteThought that line about seeing the elephant was from Kipling.
ReplyDeleteNo, though Kipling used the phrase in Toomai of the Elephants it's older than that short story.
DeleteAn informative post Sarge, prayers out for juvat on his imminent surgery and good to hear your better half returned safely......:) The local PBS station airs thirty minutes of NHK news in the afternoon, provides a brief glimpse into that part of the world that I never have been exposed to before.
ReplyDeleteI lived out there for over six years, two and a half on Okinawa with next to zero interaction with the Okinawans and almost four in Korea where I had a lot of interaction with Koreans. Seeing as how I married one that makes sense. As in Germany we lived "on the economy" as we say, which means not on a base or in base housing.
DeleteWhat to write... Pick one of your characters, one you really feel good about. Put them in a place/time you're comfortable with and have them make it through whatever the battle/time was and leave them alive at the end for the next adventure... or not, it is war.
ReplyDeleteOne of the Germans could go into the French Foreign Legion (or one of the Americans can) ... There is a lot of history out there to find a good setting for your stories!
Good luck!
I've done that before with "The Hill," a short vignette on the Korean War which brought back characters from Almost a Lifetime. I might do something similar again, who knows? The first post in that series is here.
DeleteWhile moving up in the Stasi ranks, husband and wife team stuck in DDR contact friend who made it out to volunteer for the CIA?
DeleteInteresting concept, let me ruminate on that.
DeleteI believe that quite a few Germans were given a choice by the French at the end of WW2 of join the FFL or face trial for capital crimes. A British war correspondent describes meeting with some of them in Indo-China and during the Algerian war of independence. They were described as 'excellent soldiers'. Not a few ended up after their terms of service in the FFL in Central/South America.
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Retired - Many Waffen SS survivors joined the FFL after the war. It was a way to hide from the authorities. Many of them were in Indochina for that war. A number died at Dien Bien Phu.
DeleteThere's a very good book about the Algerian war of Independence called ' A Savage War of Peace' by Alistair Horne. The French basically wrote the book about 1950's to 60's COIN operations.
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I'll have to track that one down.
DeleteDeja vu..."¹ An expression which I believe originated in the Mexican War." As I was reading your ponderings, especially your comment about shying away from the War of 1861, my thoughts went to the one just before that, the Mexican War and the Mexican Cession, which gained a huge amount of territory for us through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the 3rd largest land acquisition in our history. Also, it is the conflict in which many of the military leaders of both the US and the Confederacy cut their teeth as leaders. A very much overlooked "minor" conflict with major consequences. Weird that we paid the looser $15,000,000 and assumed Mexican debts to its citizens, for California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and parts of New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming.
ReplyDeleteAnother direction might be the Indian Wars.
As always, an interesting post, Sarge.
Yes, the Mexican War was interesting in a number of ways. Many officers learned their trade in that war. The Indian Wars I touched upon once, not sure if I'll go back.
DeleteThe Indian Wars period is an odd one, and one that really doesn't reflect well on the federal government. More a series of raids, skirmishes, and punitive expeditions than what most people think of as a war. To my way of thinking, the most interesting aspect is the experience of the Buffalo Soldiers.
DeleteI'll probably avoid the whole thing altogether. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
DeleteThe Indian Wars don't reflect well on the Indians either. Nor the US citizens. No good sides on that. At one time the US Army was fighting and suppressing US settlers and protecting the various tribes, only to be backstabbed by said tribes.
DeleteIt started ugly and ended ugly and there was a lot of ugly in between.
Enough ugly to go around, that's for sure.
DeleteHey Old AFSarge,
ReplyDeleteLemme throw a couple of ideas at you, you could take a few of your ETO guys from both the Deutche and Ami's and have them get called up for Korea, You also know a bit about the Korean peninsula. Just a thought......
I've done that before with "The Hill." The first post in that series is here.
DeleteI have never read Shelby Foote's work, but have heard it praised regularly. If I recall correctly, the original draft was largely written by hand.
ReplyDeleteHow Japan got to WW II is not something I fully understand either; the years between the Meiji Restoration (1868) and the Manchurian Incident (1931) are somewhat unclear to me. There are competing strains in the culture and politics of that time: the push to Industrialization and being taken as a Great Nation (including colonialization), a tradition of military prowess that was fair more cultural than anything in Western countries (it is estimated that 10% of the pre-Meiji population was of the samurai class or above, thus their ideals penetrated far more into culture than similar ideas in Western Europe, where upper classes were 2-3%), and a strain of democratization represented by the Taisho Democracy (circa 1905-1930) that collided directly with the Great Depression and growing militarism. Even as is pre-War Germany, not everyone was clamoring for war.
I enjoy anything you write - that said, I think I would enjoy anything that is not post WW II better. Similarly to The Unfortunate Incident referenced above, people have problems divorcing opinion from enjoyment with more recent events. And I, for one, have learned more than I ever learned before about the Napoleonic period from your writing.
The Ravishing Mrs. TB also made it home this week. The world is as it should be.
Prayers up for Juvat.
I am definitely shying away from anything contemporary.
DeleteHow Japan got involved is actually pretty simple. We forced them to open up, which generated a tad bit of resentment, and then refused to help modernize them, which generated a bit more resentment, and then interfered with them continually stonking on the Imperial Russians (and all that access to Siberia and Manchuria and all the resources that a modernizing Japan needed.)
DeleteThen Imperial Japan sided with the Allies in WWI, which is how they got the German Mandate islands in the Pacific.
Then the US State Department, already full of socialists and Soviet boot-lickers, sided with the Soviets and various leftist Chinese factions and helped shut off Imperial Japan's legal quest for resources in the SE Asian area. And the Chinese official government and various warlords were being pendejos towards Japanese citizens working in China and all the long-term hatred between Chy-nah and the ImpJaps and all that basically kind of forced Japan's hands and so they went whole hog on invading Manchuria and Chy-nah for said resources and then the FDR administration shut down pretty much all sales to Japan over it forcing Japan to have to double down on capturing resource-intensive areas and, with a little bad timing and advise, bada-bing, bada-boom, Bob's your uncle and now we get Dec. 7, 1941 and all that.
It's really simple, actually, which is why it makes no sense that it happened.
Like with the Indian Wars, there's not a lot of innocents on any side. And we, through FDR's admin and the US State Department, really screwed the diplomatic situation, forcing their hands (due to bad advice on their side, but lots of bad advice on our side...)
Seriously, we brought them 'forward' and then pissed on them. Repeatedly. Yes, they were at fault, but...
Racism against Asians was a big thing, DAMHIK
DeleteJapan has a serious history of warfare going way back, the time since WW2 has been an unusual time for Japan.
ReplyDeleteAs I understand it.
Most countries do, the samurai make everything Japanese more interesting, IMHO.
DeleteImperial Japan was flailing for a national identity after the Meiji Restoration and the removal of the samurai as political powers, and, like with US Cowboys and the Wild West (which was a lot tamer and less gun-fighty than portray the 'samurai' and 'bushido' myth took over and the whole 'bushido/samurai/banzai charge' thing got way out of hand.
DeleteSeriously, if the myth of the Samurai wasn't pushed in the 1920s, there may have been a bit less alienishness out of Imperial Japan.
From what I understand the industrialists helped push Japan down the faux bushido path. What they called "bushido" in the 30s and 40s was anything but.
DeleteMeanwhile, most of us will read whatever you write about.
ReplyDeleteI am not now, nor have I ever been anonymous in posting. That was me.
DeleteThat much is certain! Never was.much for the Napoleonic stuff, but Sarge made it interesting.
DeleteAs for "understanding" the Japanese; that's a fools errand. We can study the events and the people involved; but really who can know what's in someone else's heart or head?
While I have similar experience in Germany to Sarge's, much of my early service was in that Pacific and have read extensively on the Pacific war as well. The one source I'd suggest as a start for the Japanese side.is "Letters from Iwo Jima" followed by watching the film.
Boat Guy
Any Mouse, er, I mean Charlie, thanks!
DeleteCharlie the Second - Love the disclaimer.
DeleteBG - Agree with your thoughts on Letters from Iwo Jima a book, and film, which haunts me still.
DeleteThose are certainly " haunting" quality. The WWII Aviation museum is having a presentation on Iwo Moms a week from Saturday. I'll be in attendance.
DeleteBG
"Iwo Moms"!!!! Verdammte " spellcheck! Iwo JIMA!
DeleteBG
BG #1 - Iwo was hell on earth for both sides.
DeleteBG #2 - I figured as much, can't be any mothers of Iwo Jima veterans still around, can there? 😉
DeleteHighly unlikely. If there are ANY Iwo veterans still left, their Moms are certainly gone west. First Iwo vet I met couldn't stop crying - and was a tough guy
DeleteBG
DeleteWhen we first arrived in our little town on Narragansett Bay, our annual Independence Day parade had a number of Iwo Jima veterans riding in the parade. Now, they are all gone. Gone to rejoin their comrades-in-arms I trust.
Mexican War is unexplored territory for most of us, with long term implications. We might sort of know that lots of CW generals learned a lot there, but nothing of the life of the enlisted ranks. The role of the Texans is little known (at least by those not blessed to be Texans).
ReplyDeleteMy absolute favorite historic character (and he was a real "character") is Ben McCulloch (1811-1862). Born in Tennessee, to a family previously wealthy and connected but by then spent into genteel poverty. His two brothers attended school taught by Sam Houston (later a deity in Texas). Ben was a pal of Davy Crockett and followed him to the Alamo, but acute illness delayed his arrival until after the battle. Ben fought at San Jacinto, and was at various times an officer in Texas Army, Major in the U.S. Army (in Mexican War), and Confederate Army General. He was a Texas Ranger, a ruthless Indian fighter, and accompanied the former Governor of Kentucky as the "bad cop" to negotiate with Brigham Young over the dispute between the Mormons in Utah and federal power known as the Mormon War (1857-1858).
Fantastic book by Thomas Cutrer- "Ben McCulloch and the Frontier Military Tradition." tells of his life and exploits, but with superb context for the times, places and other people around him. Free copy will be delivered to you in a few days. It might provide context and models for characters in a Mex War era tale. In any case it is a great read.
Wiki has a nice entry with many of the highlights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_McCulloch
John Blackshoe
I'll have a look. For the moment I'm not feeling all that creative.
DeleteI don't comment much about the Nappy Episodes because I don't know much about themes. Couple centuries backwards and I'm fine, a century forward and I'm fine. Nappy and the following years are a dark unknown and I Tnjoy learning about it through you.
ReplyDeleteGlad The Missus made it home safe and sound. Hopefully you kept up the house good enough she didn't cluck at you about it.
As to the Pacific Theater, well, the lesser known campaigns, like the Aleutians (yes, we, the US, were invaded by a foreign power, as many of our territories were captured by Imperial Japan. No actual states, but territories so still US lands.
No comments as to housekeeping. Yet. After all, she's still jet-lagged.
DeleteSarge, the CBI (China-Burma-India) theatre is also a lesser-known campaign.
ReplyDeleteI know that, I have no desire to write about that campaign at this time. I just don't know enough about it.
DeleteTop photo reminds me of Siegfried Sassoon’s poem, Suicide in the Trenches.
ReplyDeleteI had not read that before, short and powerful. My Lord, "The hell where youth and laughter go" says it all.
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