Monday, September 29, 2025

Another of my Heroes

 So, still in quite a bit of pain.  A little more than a week before I can get in for an MRI and find out what the.... is going on.  Not much fun.  Just found out that Little J and Wife had a miscarriage on child #2.  So...again, not much fun.  Decided I'd resuscitate a posting from one of the first posts I put up 13 years ago or so.  Through the years, we've discussed one of my heros a few times.  Here's one of those stories.  Unfortunately....

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 So...Off we go!

We were both assigned to the 435TFTS at Holloman AFB NM. Suffice it to say that even though I was qualified as an "experienced" fighter pilot flying time wise, I learned a lot from Ras during flight briefings and debriefings, and in the air.  Some of the most important things I learned from him were taught in the Squadron Bar. After he PCS’d to Fort Carson for his last assignment in the Air Force as an ALO, I lost touch with him and didn’t reconnect with him until I saw his book “When Thunder Rolled” on Amazon.  Bought it immediately, and started reading.  It was like being in the Bar again; I’d heard most of those stories. A few years ago, I managed to track him down and restablish our friendship.  Unfortunately, he's no longer with us.  As I mentioned last week, Heaven to me would be flying fighters in against and with both He and Vegas. Yes, that would be heaven.

But the post really triggered a memory of one flight he and I had together while at Holloman.

Basic Fighter Maneuvers (BFM) are  exactly what the name implies, at the most basic level, how do you maneuver a fighter so as to kill another fighter and/or avoid being killed yourself.  It’s not just pull on the pole as hard as you can.  It’s using your energy wisely, regaining it when you can, using gravity to enhance the effect.  Most of the Lead In Fighter Training program consisted of BFM rides, and throughout the flying portion of my career, a sizeable portion of my rides were BFM also, whether I was in an Air to Air Squadron or an Air to Ground Squadron.  BFM skills are critical and very perishable. 

BFM rides involved two aircraft, a 1 v 1, and typically there were two types of setups.  In the first setup, one jet takes a position 30 to 45 degrees off the tail of the other and 6000-9000’ away.  In a real world fight, this is a very dangerous position for the person in front to be in.  Once participants are ready, the fight is started with a “Fight’s on” call and maneuvering commences.  The fight typically continues until a kill shot is taken by one or the other fighter, a fighter manages to disengage successfully, the desired learning point has been achieved, or a safety factor is encountered.  (Over G, going through minimum altitude, min fuel etc).

The second type of setup is a neutral setup, typically called a “Butterfly”.  The two jets start in tactical formation about 6-9K’ apart and the flight lead calls for a turn away from each other of 45 degrees.  At some point the flight lead calls for the turn in and both aircraft turn back towards each other for a head on pass.  The flight lead will call fight’s on at some point,  typically immediately prior to the pass so that maneuvering can begin.

This now leads to a decision on the part of both fighter pilots.  Do I want a two circle fight or a one circle fight?  There’s an excellent discussion of this here , but basically, if your turn radius is better than the other jet's, try for a one circle.
 
Back in the day, I used to be able to draw a fight diagram much better.  My apologies.


  If your turn rate is not better than the other, try for a two circle fight because you’ve got more turning room to use.

 
  



I say “try”, because the other guy also gets a vote in the fight. He has to turn in the direction you expect him to otherwise ....  I was about to learn how to make that happen.

So,  There I was………….*  Ras and I were scheduled for a 1 v 1 BFM ride in Beak Charlie, the closest air to air area to Holloman.  Basically Cloudcroft NM was the Western Boundary  Roswell the Eastern and  Ruidoso the Northern.  That proximity meant we’d have maximum gas for fighting.  Typically, when these rides went on the schedule, they were immediately filled by students riding in the back seats, however, this time it was just Ras and I.  (He had told the Duty Officer not to allow any students, you’ll understand why shortly).

Briefing was short and sweet, here’s the frequencies, joker and bingo fuel levels and a discussion of which BFM setup we were going to use (Butterfly).  We had flown together enough as IPs that not much else was needed.  We step to the jets, crank up, formation takeoff and we’re in the area.  A couple of G awareness turns . (The AT-38B was getting old and we needed to “tune” our bodies to what the mandated G limit was, so that we didn’t overstress the aircraft and reduce its lifespan.  Must have worked, this story occurred about 30 years ago, and the airplanes are still flying.)

Everything’s ready to go, a quick fuel check from Ras and he calls for the turn away.  I check 45 away and rollout, snap my head around so as to keep sight of Ras.  Got him, we continue on heading for a bit and he calls turn in.  I’m pulling right on the g-limit, get pointed at him and unload the aircraft to get some speed back.  We’re about a mile out now and I’m planning for a two circle fight, since I’m a little above him, I plan to slice down to the left leading the turn as much as I can.  At that point, Ras calls fight’s on and pulls up and takes a head on gun shot. 

At the time, the safety rules prohibited any gun shots within 45 degrees either side of head on, so I’d never seen a head on shot.  Also, since the guns on most fighters are boresighted with the aircraft, where the gun is pointed is where the aircraft is pointed. If Ras has taken a gunshot, the gun is pointed at me and so is his aircraft.  Ras passes close aboard.  This has left me somewhat startled and there’s a pause before I start to maneuver.  I roll left and start the pull, expecting Ras to have done the same which should put him somewhere above my tail pointed away.  I can’t see him and call blind (another safety thing, if he calls blind also, we knock it off and get altitude separation).  He calls “continue”.  I’m in big trouble, he sees me!  I’m still frantically searching for him looking over my left (down) shoulder, when something catches the corner of my eye.  I crank around to the right, just in time to see Ras swooping down on the back side of his vertical circle. He's gone for a one circle fight, using the vertical and by virtue of being below me and pulling up for the shot, he's lead turned me.  When he got to the top of his loop, he was slow and inverted, so gravity helped him turn much faster.

Fortunately, he’s not in guns range yet, but he’s closing fast.  I break back right and up, trying to force his nose into lag  (pointed behind me), but I’m running out of airspeed and he’s not.  I see his nose slide out in front of me and I start to make out the intakes on the side of his jet (with my eyesight at the time, that was my indication that he was about 2500’ away, AKA guns range.  With my eyesight now, I think he'd be in my back seat before I saw intakes).  I roll the aircraft until the canopy is about 45 degrees below the horizon and plant the stick in my lap.  I’m jinking…Hard.  Roll the aircraft again,  push the stick forward.  Again,  and Again and Again, but Ras is still back !there, he hasn’t called any shots, but I ain’t getting away either.  I’m expecting a knock it off for lesson learned, but no.  I’m jinking for about a month and a half until we get to bingo.  Knock it off and head home.

Back in the debrief,  Ras walks in with a couple of beers, hands one to me and says “Juvat, there are no safety ROE (Rules of Engagement) in combat, and there’s no knock it off”.  Then he took a couple of sips of beer as he let me ponder that.  He then followed with “Best Jinking I’ve ever seen, I never got a shot.  Let’s talk about how you did that, I want to learn how.”

I miss him.
 
If you'd like to read more of his stories (and I highly recommend you do), he published three books before he passed, One in conjunction with Robin Olds, the other two autobiographies about his assignments (yes, Beans, more than one) in South East Asia.  Excellent stories.
 

 Rest in peace, Warrior! Ed, you deserve it!

Peace out, y'all!


  • What’s the difference between a fairy tale and a war story?  A fairy tale starts with “Once upon a time” and a war story starts with “So there I was”.  

18 comments:

  1. I am so sorry to hear of what is going on in your life. Prayers have been said for you and your family.

    You are in my thoughts, my friend.

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    1. Thanks StB, much appreciated!
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  2. Unknown things hurtin' can absolutely ruin a quiet Sunday, add in the pain and loss in the tribe...YIKES
    I Pray for Peace, endurance to overcome, and His perfect Love to protect and Heal you and the whole family.
    I Love the war stories and of friends absent but Never forgotten.
    MSG Grumpy

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    1. Thanks Grumpy, again much appreciated!
      juvat

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  3. Prayers out for you and the family juvat, sorry for your loss. More books......another day of reading on the Internet that hits the wallet....:)

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    1. Nylon, I think you’ll like them! Ras was quite the story teller. Appreciate the prayers, thanks.
      juvat

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  4. A compliment from some is almost an insult. A compliment from a man you respect.... Wow. I'm praying you can jink whatever is ailing you. Take care up there.

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  5. Oh goodness juvat!!! Still hurting?!?!!???
    Stupid grass!! I am glad you are getting an MRI done. Time to find out what is going on!!
    Hugs and prayers to you and your family.
    The good news is September is almost over. Hopefully, October will be a huge improvement!

    Suz

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    1. Suz, not sure what the delay is either. I trust the Doc in saying that's the first available appointment, but Lord! This has been painful.
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    2. I would suggest calling the MD office back again, talking with his nurse, who you seem to have a good relationship with, and letting her know this is STILL (what's it been now 2 or 3 weeks?) pretty darn painful, NOT getting better, and can they possibly either move the appointment up at the MRI place, or put ya on the cancellation list. They do have urgent or emergent openings in the schedule, I am sure. I am also sure the doc ordered it as a routine. However, ya don't strike me as someone who goes around crying wolf, or bugs the office without there being a major type issue. And, I am sure the doctor's office feels the same way. Squeaky wheel/grease and all that.
      Unless there is some reason, which ya weren't told about, as to why the doc wanted the MRI done A MONTH after your fall?? Like, something was seen and they want to follow-up on the healing? Yeah, didn't think so...
      Call the office, say Hey there--still hurts like He!!, can ya get the appointment moved up??
      Or--stick Mrs J on the job. I'm betting she can move a couple of mountains when she needs to...being former HR type person and all. Just saying....
      Taking off the RN cap now...
      Suz

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    3. Thanks Suz, I’ve gutted this out just about as much as I can stand. Yjink I’ll give them a call.
      juvat

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  6. Geez, get well soonest. Why is the MRI appointment taking so long? Seems excessive.

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    1. I agree! No Idea, Doc just said that was the earliest appointment available. I don't want to question him, but I'm sure going to unload on the people in the MRI clinic. Especially if they find something seriously wrong!
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  7. Ouch- too much pain, physical and emotional. This too shall pass.
    Prayers up for all y'all.
    JB

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    1. JB, one hopes and the sooner the better! This is getting old.
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  8. Sorry to hear that, and yes, Ras was a helluva pilot and writer, and even deigned to talk to us Navy types...LOL

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    1. Ahhh, you guys ain’t THAT bad! You at least use silver ware. Unlike SOME folks we know!
      ;-)
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