Friday, August 22, 2025

Withdrawal symptoms

 


In a post several years ago, Old NFO had a tale of woe about the trials and tribulations involved in his move from the (ptui!) DC area to some as yet undisclosed location in God’s Country. (Those of you unlucky enough to not live here might refer to it as Texas.)  In that tale of woe, he mentioned that he had somehow misplaced his coffee pot.  

That harmless statement, as it always seems to, set off a flood of commentary.  One commenter went so far as to describe coffee as the “Lifeblood of the Navy”.  Included in the comments were the Top Secret procedures for making that Lifeblood.  (That should be good for an extra hit or two from the NSA.)

While most readers know that “back in the day”, I was in the Air Force as a Fighter Pilot, some may not have read these riveting posts on my first tour as a Joint Staff Officer.

One of the benefits of that job, other than, you know, being based at Camp Smith Hawaii, was spending time aboard the flagships of the USN’s 3rd Fleet and 7th Fleet, USS Coronado and USS Blue Ridge respectively. 
 
USS Coronado AGF-11 (decommissioned in 2006 and sunk in the Marianas during an exercise in 2012)
Public Domain

USS Blue Ridge LCC-19
Public Domain

 A small benefit of that time was getting to sample some of that “Lifeblood of the Navy”.

I also got to spend a good bit of time with 3 MEF on Okinawa. (I also spent time with I Corps at Ft Lewis WA, but that’s a different story).  All these deployments involved exercises in which contingency planning was the objective.  Coming up with an operations plan on short notice with a tight deadline necessitated some very long days.  Long days meant Coffee. 

I think I started drinking coffee in pilot training, but I was never more than a cup or two at a time person at that point.  Strapped in to an ejection seat and pulling G’s is not a fun thing with a full bladder, and the restroom facilities are sadly lacking in fighters.  (Never used a piddle pack! Not even on the Trans-Pacific drags.)

So….Where was I?  Oh, yeah.  Coffee and “Lifeblood of the the Armed Forces”.

So…There I was*

Camp Smedley Butler, Okinawa Japan.  Deployed to 3 MEF for a Joint Task Force training exercise.  The Joint Staff (in the Pentagon, believe me nothing good comes out of that building) has decided to test USCINCPAC’s ability to stand up a Joint Task Force, develop an Operations Plan and have forces ready to deploy on very short notice.  We get the Warning Order and, within 3 hours, my team is airborne on a C-141 bound for Okinawa. That's at least a 10 hour flight (more if it’s winter) and we couldn't afford to waste 10 hours of planning time.  This was back in the early 90s before airborne WiFi was commonplace.  We had a specially modified hatch panel that had a satellite antenna on it and so used that time to begin building the Plan, coordinating both with Camp Smith and Camp Butler.  Very exciting stuff at the time.  (Yeah, I know, it takes very little to get me excited nowadays.)

In any case (which, again, is Texan for “Anyhoo”), we arrive on Okinawa and continue to build the Operations Plan, sending drafts back through Camp Smith to the Pentagon.  We’ve been at it for about 36 hours and it’s me, another Lt Col (USMC) and a USMC Warrant Officer.  

My counterpart Lt Col referred to the Warrant Officer as “Gunner” with a high measure of respect in the tone of his voice.  I elected to follow his lead.  

We’re putting out the latest version of the Plan and it’s oh-dark-thirty.  The Gunner comes in and says he’s going to turn in and asks if we need anything before he does.  I ask him for a cup of coffee figuring he’d tell somebody to make a pot.  He walks off and shortly thereafter brings back a couple of cups. 

He’d made them himself. 

I didn’t sleep for at least 12 more hours. (At which point, the Joint Staff called EndEx as they couldn’t keep up with us.)

Navy Coffee was good, but I thought it was kinda weak after experiencing Marine Coffee.

We’ve had a Keurig in our house for a while, and my brew of choice was always Jet Fuel  for a couple of reasons, but the primary reason was it is as close to the Gunner’s coffee as packaged coffee could get.  Lately however, even that seemed to be getting weak and disappointing.

On a vacation we took a few years ago to Australia, in the B & B we rented in Sydney, the kitchen came with a DeLonghi Espresso machine.  Now, I like Espresso, but I want my coffee in something other than shot glasses.  This machine had a setting that allowed you to make the Espresso as large as you wanted.  Suffice it to say, I was adequately caffeinated while in Sydney.

Coming back to the real world was tough, and the Keurig didn’t help.  However there was a posting on Instapundit about DeLonghi Machines being offered on Amazon at a special price.
 

Santa brought me one for Christmas that year,   I could put whole coffee beans and water in the machine, push one button and Espresso would come out.  Life was good! Unfortunately, it's engineered usage level and my coffee consumption level were not simpatico. After a few years, it died and I had to go back to the Keurig.
 
Which worked ok up until my last Doctor's Visit a month or so ago.  Apparently the old ticker is having "issues".  Not hospital serious, just "need to make some changes to your livestyle, juvat!" serious according to my Doctor.  Guess what one of the first things he said I needed to stop.
 
You got it...Coffee.  And not only Coffee, but no caffeinated beverages! Oh and I should stay away from Decaf Coffee also, since it seems it's not totally without caffeine.  Well, it's been a very tough few weeks but I've stuck it out.  Got an appointment with the Doc next week.  We'll see what the readings look like.  If it was all for naught....Well..Me and the Doc might have a "conversation".
 
Peace out y'all.  Oh, and enjoy your coffee!  Just don't moan as you're sipping it if I'm within earshot!  


 

43 comments:

  1. So there I was...A young Air Force trainee with literally eight hour days of lecture and learning archaic Met code. Fortunately for me and the rest of the Air Force, we were Blessed with the Navy Det Coffee. It seems the Navy and Marines used the same AF Training school. The Navy was smart enough to bring their super secret recipe for GO juice. I started in 84 and am still imbibing. If'n a Doc suggests cutting back or (ERP!) stopping totally, I know my first reaction would be to get a second opinion.
    Good luck with being anti-caffeinated Juvat, and hopefully the pain will be worth it in good news from the Doc.
    MSG Grumpy (Extra Caffeinated version)

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    1. MSG Grumpy,
      Actually it wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be, on Doctor's orders I switched to decaf. The withdrawal wasn't TOO bad. After a couple of weeks I noticed another symptom which will not be discussed, but seems to have been decaf related, so I went cold turkey. That wasn't as hard as the cold turkey episode. So, I'm free and clear now and drink a lot of water. Which causes me to visit another facility quite frequently, but C'est la Vie!
      juvat

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  2. Yah, good luck jousting with the Doc juvat, amazing how the body no longer tolerates some Good Things as the years pass. "Lifestyle" choices....less of that, very little of this, no more that........(sigh)

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    1. Yep, pretty much the way it is. I guess the alternative is worse, and I'll get to find out someday. Not that I'm in a hurry mind you!
      juvat

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  3. Camp Smedley Butler...I'm rather surprised that there would be any military facility named for him, 2X MoH or not, considering his very outspoken comments about the war industry. I do rather like a quote other than his rants about war being a racket, ""Being really hungover at a firefight sucks, trust me I know."
    Smedley Butler 1899

    No coffee? I admit, I'd really miss it, but I think it's mostly a matter of habit. It doesn't really seem to have a kick to it anymore. I can have two cups in the evening and still sleep.

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    1. Joe,
      Hmmm, did not know that about him. Looks like a history research project in my near futurer. Thanks
      As to coffee, I was pretty much the same, although I could feel my heart rate increase. So I guess the Dr was right about it. He seems more happy with my vitals now so I guess that's a good thing.
      juvat

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    2. His 2XMoH, or his stance on the war industry? Some quotes here: https://www.azquotes.com/author/2273-Smedley_Butler

      Can't say that he's entirely wrong.

      MoH: https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/us-people/b/butler-smedley-d/nh-64355.html

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    3. Nineteen men have received TWO Medals of Honor, with Smedley Butler being the best known.

      Five of the 19 received double Medals for a single action, being Marines attached to the Army at the time and awarded both the Army version and the Marine Corps versions of the the Medal.

      The other fourteen received separate medals for two different actions. Until 1918, the Medal of Honor was the only award for exceptional heroism, first awarded during the Civil War. The standards for award were much less stringent than post WW1 when there were several awards available for varying levels- Bronze Star, Silver Star, Distinguished Service Cross. No one has been awarded two Medals of Honor since then.

      For a list of all double recipients and links to a description of their actions, see:
      https://www.cmohs.org/recipients/lists/double-recipients

      That site is the official site for the Congressional [sic] Medal of Honor Society with everything you need to know about that award and the awesome deeds which earned them.

      While some of the Civil War and Indian War awards were "generous", those of the Spanish American War through WW1 were well deserved, and those recipients were truly outstanding warriors.
      John Blackshoe

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    4. The other Marine double recipient was Master Sergeant Daniel Daly

      https://www.newspapers.com/article/new-york-tribune-daniel-daly-wwi-accol/133537149/

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    5. Joe,
      Thanks for the pointer. Going to have to look into that. Didn't know it.
      juvat

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  4. Coffee... in 1976 I was stationed at a Coast Guard Light Station as an E-2, it was a three man station so I had to stay up all night and watch for fog every 3rd night. I learned about coffee from one of those small aluminum percolators, turns out I liked it. Over the years I drank a lot of coffee but it's tapered off... I'm down to around 3 cups in the morning and I limit my caffeine starting in the later afternoon.
    No caffeine at all would be a tough one!

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    1. Rob, initially it was certainly no piece of cake, that's for sure. Headaches, upset stomach and a couple of other unmentionables. All have faded away. So, it can be done if needed.
      juvat

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  5. Juvat, I was a late comer to coffee, not picking up until well into college.

    Currently in the Taigh na Thoirdhealbeach Beucail we have a regular coffee maker, a French Press, a Nespresso, and a pseudo Keurig. I have been using the pseudo-Keurig the most lately because it allows me to limit my intake pretty effectively. Two cups at home, then decaf up to around 0900. Any kind of caffeine after noon destroys my sleep pattern.

    Coffee has always been my "throw-away" if and when the doctor says I need to address blood pressure. The fact one has sacrifice decaf as well....I may need to rethink this.

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  6. Yup. I am pretty sure I warned you about the caffeine thing back when you had your first a-fib attack. Unfortunately, it is a drug, and it does act on all sorts of systems, but especially the cardiac one. Also the nervous system and the GI system. And not only does it occur in coffee, which thankfully I never got into unless it was coffee ice cream, but it also occurs in regular tea, black as well as green, and in chocolate!!! Which really isn't AT ALL fair...at least IMHO.

    Pretty sure it doesn't occur in wine though, which, if you are still allowed to drink it, would be a good thing for you. Depends on your cardiac meds...

    However, being a BIG time tea drinker, it has taken me a while to find teas that taste good, that do not have caffeine. Thankfully, as I have gotten older, and it has become more important to avoid caffeine, lots of other options have also become available. Just for the record---ENERGY drinks are NOT some of those options!!! Which is why you sometimes hear about fairly young folks having cardiac events and dying because they drank too much caffeine.

    Water really is the best drink, and you can help flavor it up by tossing a slice of lime, or lemon, or a shot of apple juice into it. Besides, if the reason you were drinking coffee by the large potful was so you could stay up all night planning to save the world, or to cram for that exam, or to wake up in the morning, now that you are retired, you can go to bed at a "reasonable" hour...or sleep in a bit later. Doing a few exercises first thing does help get the blood pumping, even just a walk outside to listen to the birds yell at each other first thing in the morning.

    But, yeah, I really do miss chocolate...not the pain the caffeine gave me, but chocolate...sigh...

    Suz

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    1. Suz,
      As expected, you're spot on. I wonder if my Doctor sent you the above script or you sent it to him. It was a bit "uncomfortable" for about a week, nothing I couldn't tolerate but I knew what was happening. I am sleeping better which I consider a definite benefit. Mrs J and I walk every morning except Sunday about a mile or so. That's helping
      Did not know that I should be keeping chocolate out of my diet though. A tablespoon full of dark chocolate chips on 1 peanut butter covered graham cracker is what serves as Mrs J and my desert. Seems to be helping in the losing weight war.
      juvat

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    2. Anything that helps in the weight loss war is a good thing!!!! And dark chocolate is absolutely the best kind of chocolate...just make it an even spoonful of chocolate, not heaping. My guess is by losing the coffee, it will be enough for you. But ya can ask the Doc next time ya talk. And no, I am not sharing any of my scripts with your Doc...promise! ;)

      Suz

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    3. Suz,
      No worries and thanks for the ideas.
      juvat

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  7. Your post made me think about starting to cut back so it'll be easier when the doc demands it. Hmm, maybe I'll just think a while longer.

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    1. Ahh, Tuna, it wasn't that bad, irritating but not that bad. I think the interim stop with Decaf helped a bit with cutting off the full strength stuff. Cutting off the Decaf was no bid deal at all.
      juvat

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    2. Good to know. My wife has eliminated diet coke, and is on just a cup of joe each morning so she'll do better at it. Fortunately no one is calling for a cutback just yet.

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  8. I know you love it. Hope and prayers for a return to paradise.

    Years ago my oldest brother gave me that exact same unit. I then was drinking real coffee. Gave it to youngest daughter for college then she gave it to older sisters husband. I was just there visiting 1st granddaughter and advised son in law when he’s done with it I want it back.

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    1. BCCL,
      Welcome aboard! It IS a pretty good coffee maker. I don't know if it'll last through 3 generations, but it wouldn't surprise me.
      juvat

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  9. What I remember of Navy coffee from my time (lo, so many years ago) is that it wasn't right unless "it would float a nickel".

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    1. Flugelman,
      I can believe that, my TDY's aboard Blue Ridge certainly supported that statement.
      juvat

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  10. Coffee hasn't killed me yet, and I'm 81,so, no, I won't give it up. Army field coffee, circa 1960's Germany, was a 30 gallon pot of boiling water with ground coffee dumped in and allowed to boil, then 'rest'. Grounds? Strain them out with your teeth. We rigged ways of putting pots on the Bridge Erection Boat exhaust manifolds. Hot coffee at hand whenever needed. Some visitors found our coffee to be a tad strong.

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    1. We called that cowboy coffee. Coffee amount was measured in handfuls into the pot. The old beat up wrangler was not allowed to make the coffee because it ended up like drinking coal tar bottoms. The last bit was chucked in to the fire because it was all grounds.

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    2. WSF,
      Yes, I can believe that might be classified as STRONG!!!!!
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  11. Never had a cup of coffee. My choice of caffeine is Pepsi. When that wasn't giving me the boost asked doc if I could drink energy drinks? When he quit laughing he said only if you want another heart attack. So I drink lots of water.

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    1. Anon,
      Never a cup of coffee, now THAT is unexpected. I drank a lot of Pepsi also for the during the day "boost". That too has gone by the way.
      I now dring several pints of water per day also. I just got to remember to download them before I go to bed at night. Getting up a few times without waking up the Missus is difficult.
      juvat

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  12. I use caffeine to keep my airways open. Due to really crappy allergies, well, I need it. So far my heart is A-Okay, but we'll see.

    Though I do diet sodas and tea but not coffee unless it's a really bad asthma attack.

    Sigh.

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    1. Thankfully, I don't have that problem, my CPAP does a pretty good job of keeping my breathing. I've cut WAY down on Diet Sodas, maybe one or two a week if I'm really thirsty.
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  13. My best "coffee story" involves introducing a young man to coffee. Civil War Days at Duncan's Mill, California. Friday evening. I'd gotten there about 1500, got the gun unloaded and to the gun line, got my gear unloaded, tent set up, area for the company fire cleared, fire pit dug, and hardware for fire set up. As I was cooking my supper, a young man from a different unit had arrived, and was setting his stuff up. I'd finished eating and was making my evening coffee. I used a cheap briki to boil up my coffee, and had some cones of piloncillo for sugar. Young man, MAYBE mid-20s, asked if he could bum a cup of coffee from me. He's worked graveyard, gone home, packed up, drove from Bakersfield to the site, with Bay Area traffic, it was about an 8 hour drive. So, I made him some. He did the usual, "Oh, if you have to MAKE it, don't bother!" BS No bother, easy as eating pie. So, 2 TBS of Folgers Dark, 12 oz of water, set on the coals, watch it, as I was waiting for the first boil I used my knife to shave some of the piloncillo onto a plate for him. pull it off when it comes to a boil, stir, put back on, pull, stir, repeat. Pulled it, let it settle, splashed some cold water in to settle the grounds. Poured into his cup. Let him add some sugar. He sipped. His eyes got HUGE. "That's STRONG!" he said. I took the cup, sipped, handed it back to him. "Nah, about medium." I don't thing the lad had ever had a coffee that wasn't one of the dessert brews from a chain coffee shop.
    I took pity on him and broke out some evaporated milk (with a period correct Borden label) to let him doctor it up some. Second cup he handled better.

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    1. Joe,
      I wonder if your religious coffee experience had a lasting effect on him?
      Sarge, I nominate Joe's sign on to the blog become Saint Joe of Lovell. If you ever come to Texas, look me up. I'd like to try that also. Perhaps your tribe would expand even more.
      ;-)
      Cheers,
      juvat

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    2. Rob,
      Yes it is!
      juvat

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    3. Juvat, I think it did. The next several reeactments I saw him brewing coffee in his mucket using the same method.
      When I made coffee for the unit I used 2 french presses (invented 1852, so POSSIBLE but not probable), easy to use, and alway fresh. They had been using one of those big 6 quart blue spackelware pots and made coffee that even a Marine wouldn't drink.
      The tale of how I became Chief of Mess as well as being a gun sergeant and First Sergeant.
      The person running the mess was asking $15 for the weekend - breakfast Sat. and Sun. plus supper on Saturday. Breakfast was late - 0800 or later, which was WAY too late for me, and consisted of a biscuit, a dollop of sausage gravy, about an eggs worth of scrambled eggs, and maybe bacon. Supper was burgers and hot dogs. So I dropped out of the company mess and brought my own. That way I had broken fast before 0600. I usually had more, so I'd sort of feed people and gradually ended up feeding everyone. Our officer was Jewish, and we had a couple of vegetarians, so I had the challenge of NOT starting everything with "Chop some bacon or salt pork..." and that for a Confederate unit. I asked the same, but but included a light Friday supper, usually something like https://saltedmint.com/simple-smokey-moroccan-3-bean-stew/#recipe and some previously baked chicken thighs. Did that in 2 pots - heat it up in a big one, ladle out a good portion of it for the vegetarians, then add the thighs to the other. Breakfast both days was bacon, corn cakes, hash browns, and scrambled eggs. Always had cornbread, and a big loaf of bread based on the Sunset magazine Basque Shepherds Bread. A light lunch Saturday, "Cowboy Caviar" and flour tortillas. Served cold. Nutritious and refreshing. Saturday supper was some sort of stew, grilled chicken thighs, or on rare occasions, grilled beef if I could find it on super special. Always coffee.

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    4. Joe,
      Boy, those menu sound delicious. May have to try a few that I don't usually make. The moroccan 3 bean stew sounds delicious.
      Thanks
      juvat

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    5. I'll put the one i use over in FB.

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  14. I don't think I drank coffee until I was 24 and in the Middle East and lived on it. Now of course, if some fool of a doctor told me that it would be best to stay away and avoid it like the plague I would simply be thankful the Missus does not hear silly things like that.....and "to stay away from caffeinated beverages?!" as if. OTGH, my doctor was amazed to see my very excellent BP yesterday during my 64th annual visit and so I'll just keep on as I have before because I'm pretty damned sure the only thing that's kept me alive all these years is caffeine.

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    1. I'm not a doctor, nor have I played one on TV. When I was your age, I had no issues with either the coffee or the heart. Now, however....
      Keep it up as long as the doctor says ok, I would think. That visit was the first that mentioned a problem, so....
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  15. Crusty Old TV Tech here. Coffee, ah the universal brain lubricant, called out in TO 31R2-2-GRC171 as Mandatory for Use! In my career here at the Rocket Ranch, I have observed that coffee is a mandatory MEL item for MCC-Houston. My old Flight Control position had the MCC coffee duties from Apollo to end of Shuttle. Snapshot from the early 90's follows. We had 3 coffee stations in the MCC, with Bunn O Matics, manual water ops. Each had a 5 gallon plastic fuel jug for fetching water from a nearby broom closet. In one full-up-ops-team 8 hour shift, we'd go through 4 1/2 jugs of water, 22 1/2 gallons. Forget how much Folgers we'd go through, but the 5 cents a cup paid for it and a little extra for other stuff. Oh, and we could only get up from console when there was no data coming from the bird, so by the early 90's, that was a single 5-15 minute period every 90-ish minutes. Imagine the traffic on the way to the latrine!

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    1. COTVT,
      Now THAT is a good story! And yes...I can imagine!
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