The Villages of Grants Pass Oregon
Part 2? If you're wondering where part 1 is, you'll have to go back to the beginning of the year. Feel free to read that one first, but long story short, we had to help my mother-in-law get home from Montana after New Years. Please bear with me as I use Sarge's blog to vent a bit, release some stress, and provide something that might help you and yours some day.
Once again I had to fly north to be the trusted adult in the room whom my mother-in-law would listen to. We had to break the news that due to her cognitive assessment in the hospital after falling and remaining on the floor for nearly 24 hours, she would not be allowed to go home. Unfortunately she remained in the hospital for two more days after release was authorized as we worked to place her in assisted living. She was angry with us, refusing to accept our direction, stating that she'll just stay in the hospital, but a case worker was helpful in explaining how this was the best and really only option. She still argued with us claiming that she would be fine at home with home health, but that runs $30 an hour and the doctor said she needed 24-hour care. Medicare covers this type of service, or a assisted living facility, but only if you are practically destitute.
In retrospect, we now understand that it was due to her dementia that her relationship with nearby family had soured to some extent and they weren't necessarily welcome in her home. It was a niece who found her and saw how bad it had gotten there (trash had piled up, dogs hadn't been let out, etc.). Her dementia was also the cause of her becoming quite good at telling us what we wanted to hear, but not actually doing anything to help herself.
Fortunately, as the widow of a military vet, who receives his social security, survivor benefit plan from his military retirement, and a dependents stipend from the VA, the monthly bill for the home we chose is within reach. We thought there was at least a little money in her accounts from her husband's stake in the family garbage business. However, due to misplaced generosity towards those in need, and probably that dementia, she had spent almost everything.
While I was there she did allow me to get on her bank account, and granted me full power of attorney. This will help us recoup some bills that were overpaid and cancel any others that are no longer needed.
We will have to rent her home which she believes she will return to, in order to cover the difference. This is after selling her brand new never used travel trailer, a John Deere Gator ATV, and a horse trailer which is no longer needed following the passing of Dad's horse a couple years ago. His truck will also go. I'm also fighting my wife on this a little bit in that her mom doesn't want the truck or trailer sold, due to some emotional memory connecting her to her husband. However I spoke to all the siblings and stated that I will not allow any of them to risk their future by spending savings or retirement in order to make up for their mother's mistakes. They reluctantly agreed but it is a very emotional time.
I know this is something that millions of others have had to go through, but I will give some hard lessons learned that maybe some of the younger Chanters will benefit from.
Have the hard conversations early. Discuss what she wants, and in certain situations, what she would accept. This would be various stages of dementia, whether she would like to stay in her home or if this was not feasible where would she wants to live. Talk about finances and how care would be covered. Talk about when she would accept parting with valuable possessions in order to cover bills. Do the math. Go visit homes and talk to the management. Talk about the cost of care and the realities of selling or renting her home.
Put this in writing, but better yet record it, get it on camera so that if dementia starts to creep in, she will be reminded of promises that were made or desires that were laid out.
If I had to do it over again, I would know that some of those relationship challenges are due to the dementia, and more frequent visits are required despite her desires.
In a way, the fall was a much-needed catalyst to get her the help she needed. My wife is still tiptoeing around her, allowing visits back to her home to visit her dogs, allowing her to believe that in 3 months she will be released, but only because we don't want her to grow embittered and attempt to rescind the power of attorney before we can take necessary steps. We are fully aware of that once an official diagnosis of dementia is given, the power of attorney is null and void. Eventually, and this is something you should add to the lessons learned, guardianship should be discussed. Otherwise, one will have to hire an attorney and go to court to declare her incompetent.
On the bright side, she is thriving in the home, with much more of a social life, new friends, one of her dogs, and just more mental stimulation. The VA will likely provide her with "Aid and Attendance" allowance which will help cover more, and might make up for the times when her home isn't rented. Who knows, in a few months she may forget her desire to go home, realizing she likes it there. She's also eating better, and getting more exercise due to the need to walk 50 yards to the dining room. Her other dog will be rehomed, being only 10 months old, but that's a another challenging conversation. I returned to San Diego last weekend but my wife is staying up there another week. This isn't over, but we're definitely all in a better place than we were 10 months or even a week ago. Anyway, talk to your parents, or more likely- have those hard conversations with your kids, write that will, set up that trust, and avoid what we are dealing with.
When family is involved with a lessening of a loved one's mental facilities that can lead to a difficult situation for all. Power of attorney and guardianship are big steps to have to take but necessary ones sometimes. Making plans before a situation develops is important as you urged, prayers out for you and your wife and her family Tuna.
ReplyDeleteYes, POA will be helpful for some, but we'll have to move for guardianship / conservatorship eventually most likely. She gets angry when any discussion of her inability to do anything, or her past forgetfulness, not paying bills, etc.
DeleteHard and emotional calls. Prayers up for you, and everyone else involved.
ReplyDeleteThat is hard, Tuna. I am glad it has come to a relatively good conclusion, or at least as good as it could be. My parents very much had everything planned and it was still difficult, especially when we had to break the news that it was time to move.
ReplyDeleteShe's in a good place, but the funding is keeping me stressed.
DeletePost this experience is a good thing...thank you.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like you have it basically under control. It's a daunting task, and she's lucky to have you to help her through her difficult stage in life.
ReplyDeleteYes and no. Nobody is willing to tell her that she won't be going home, and they think that a determinative diagnosis of how bad the dementia is might mean she could go home with some assistance, not 24hr care. But we saw how bad she was at home with rats, trash, fecal matter, 5K worth of expired food, gallons of rotted milk on her counter, etc. This might take over a year though as a Neurologists are few and far between up there. So the move towards renting her place has stalled. VA funds might take a year too. That means I will have to pay the 3K difference between her income and the cost of the home. This all came out in the week since I wrote this post. Anyway, I appreciate the place to vent. I'm going to need to have this hard conversation (again) with my wife and her sibs.
DeleteAfter dealing with my mother's estate after her passing, I realized not using my power of attorney to transfer accounts, acquire property, and avoid the hassle of dealing with the courts was something I should have done. I'm honest, and regardless of amounts, would have shared everything as detailed in her will.
DeleteTuna,
ReplyDeleteA lot of good info in that post. Sorry you're in that situation, But...Better to have a plan and not need it, than to need one and not have it. Both my Parents went without major complications (Thank You, Lord!), but...you never know. We're in the process of putting our house on the market and moving to College Station to be nearer to our daughter. A win/win. We can help take care of the kids and they can help us with Doctror stuff. Love our house and property here, but....Better safe than sorry.
Again, good post, thanks!
juvat
Thanks Juvat. Kids around will be great for both your families, but I recommend having the "what if" conversations. Fortunately our SSI and retirements will probably be enough to cover expenses for one of those homes. Another piece of advice from a co-worker was to consider moving into a retirement community before you need the assisted living part of it. Otherwise your family has to deal with a medical emergency, placement in a home, and figuring out expenses all at the same time. I'd prefer to die in my own bed in my sleep at 89 years old if possible though.
Delete'The Villages' down here in Florida are a decent community. Close to a host of docs and hospitals and retirement homes. But far away from your kids. Sigh.
DeleteTuna- Prayers up for you and yours as you deal with the unpalatable options, and irrational demands of dementia patients. Everyone (else) is fortunate to have you as the TRUE adult in the room. Probably none will thank you now, but eventually they will understand and appreciate your pragmatic approach and willingness to make extremely difficult decisions that MUST be made, not kicked down the road.
ReplyDeletePlease keep us informed, so we can learn about good and bad options, and good and bad choices made. Most of us will have similar challenges, perhaps sooner than we might like to admit, so your experiences and advice are likely to be extremely helpful to others.
While your [whole family] situation is an unenviable mess, that's the world we live in, and we need to be forewarned and informed.
Hang in there, this too shall pass.
Prayers up.
John Blackshoe
Appreciate it JB. Will do.
DeleteBTDT. Never easy. There is just my sister and I. My sibling is awesome. We have been through this and two estates together. The other problems were there to be overcome but we are spared the family fights.
ReplyDeleteThat's good. Fortunately no fighting, but a bit of fiscal stingy-ness when it comes to a couple of those kids.
DeleteBTDI from England. I have dealt with EXTREMELY difficult elder relatives. As I have said to my children we have been on the receiving end of a masterclass in how to make life difficult for your children so don't annoy us. My late and unlamented MIL was one of the worst people I have ever had to deal with, and I say that as a retired police officer with over 30 years service. I don't use the term evil lightly but she was a complete POS with not redeeming features at all. All I can say is get your affairs in order, use a good lawyer and get power of attorney in place early.
ReplyDeleteFinally having dealt with 'difficult' elder relatives and speaking to friends who have been in the same situation it was inevitably the mothers who caused the most grief.
Retired
I can attest to that last sentence.
DeleteThanks Retired- I expect we'll have to go to court eventually as the POA was given IOT sell some of her items and she is NOT interested in giving me guardianship. That was my wife's conversation with her. I may have better luck.
DeleteIts hard work dealing with these issues, I suppose I'm relatively lucky as I have a small family but I was definitely the bad guy as I was the one who had to keep having the hard conversations with my aunt and my mother. My aunt went into a care home after a fight. She had become a danger to herself, refused to stop driving and was finding it hard to come to terms with her declining faculties. Further stress was caused as she went into a care home prior to signing a power of attorney had a 'turn' and was admitted to hospital for a while. I was £46K in debt to the care home before we got POA and I could sell her home to pay for her care.
DeleteMy wife and I had had stress a couple of years earlier when her father dropped dead. She thought he had everything settled, he had but his late wife was Scottish so for some reason his will was dealt with in Scotland and when we saw a solicitor in England we were informed that owing to some fairly egregious errors on the part of the Scottish company dealing with his affairs he was intestate. Fun and games then ensued. I should add he died in 2007 at about the same time it became clear my aunt and mother could not look after themselves so that was a challenging time.
My advice is: ensure your affairs are in order. Use a competent lawyer. Review your affairs regularly. Have a POA in place before you need it. Don't hang on in a house when it's clear you can't cope. Be VERY sceptical about companies purporting to help with the elderly, a goodly proportion are charlatans. Be realistic about your ability to cope.
Retired
My mom's mom was basically robbed blind by 'handymen' and 'helpers' all who helped themselves to her fine china, porcelain collection, ivory collection and anything that wasn't really nailed down. Helped, of course, by Grandma's almost blindness.
ReplyDeleteAnd dealing with the in-laws' deaths and watching the pack of feral buttheads that consist of the in-laws' family, dealing with their deaths sucked, majorly.
Fortunately, when my dad died, my mom sold the house to my oldest brother and built herself a mother-in-law suite in the back yard and he and his wife are responsible. Both dad and mom had/have good wills, good lawyers, good burial prepaid plans and mom's side of the family lives a looooong time.
Sorry you have to deal with this. Especially from long distance. And having to split up coverage due to jobs and stuff. It's not like you don't have a ton of feces piled on you already. Hang in there. Stay sane. And talk to your KoC brothers or someone else if you need to vent.
Some of her expenditures were astronomic charges for work around her home- definitely being taken advantage of.
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