Saturday, January 17, 2026

Why Not Just Make a Copy?

MG-42 machine gun
Batey ha-Osef museum, Tel Aviv, Israel.

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It's a topic which might only interest me although no doubt others (perhaps even some of you readers out there) have thought of this as well. That topic is, as the photo might suggest, the MG 42 machine gun used by the German military in WWII. It was so effective, and freaked out our guys a lot, so why didn't we copy it?

As I found a good video of the whys and wherefores of why the United States didn't simply copy the MG 42, and as I have been extraordinarily lazy as of late, I decided to post the following video as to why we didn't copy it.

Before getting into all that, I have to say that the MG 42 was a very effective weapon. It formed the basis of the German infantry squad, three men operated and supported the weapon, a noncommissioned officer decided what to do with it, and the other six men in the squad protected it. (More complex than that but you get my drift, the gun was the heart of the German squad.)

Allied soldiers related how a German squad, even after taking a number of casualties, remained highly effective because of the MG 42. Lose the gun, and the squad loses most of its firepower.

The video covers most of the above and much more, including why we didn't just copy it. My sense of the matter is two-fold: the "not invented here" syndrome and bean counters. Why bean counters you might ask?

The beast could fire around 1200 rounds per minute, so it could go through a lot of ammo really quickly. And bullets, dontcha know, cost money.

The Spencer rifle in the Civil War met much the same opposition from the government. As it could fire around 14 to 20 rounds a minute, the Ordnance Department was worried that the soldiers would waste a lot of ammunition. (Source)

Anyhoo, I have had one experience with the MG 42 back during my reenacting days. I was detailed to hump ammunition for our squad's MG 42. As it was blank ammo, it wasn't quite as heavy as the real thing. But two cans of belted blanks and my rifle made for a rather unwieldy load. But I managed.

We got into position, loaded up, then waited in ambush for our victims.

When they emerged into the forest clearing, my gunner squeezed the trigger.

"Bang!"

A single round fired, the belt would not feed.

Huh?

Okay, when firing blank ammunition out of a semi-automatic¹ or automatic² weapon, you need what's called a blank adapter. As no bullet issues from the barrel there is less force to drive back the bolt of the weapon. Extracting the just fired round and loading the next. So the blank adapter "seals" the barrel of the weapon, causing enough pressure to blow the bolt back. (There is a mechanism to allow some of the gas to escape. This article has a fairly good explanation, and pictures, of what I'm on about.)

My gunner had forgotten to attach his blank adapter. So to fire the weapon he'd have to cock the bolt and pull the trigger each time. We were overrun rather quickly before we got off a second round.

Anyhoo, let's watch the video, shall we?



We made a copy during the war, which sucked, but eventually did kinda sorta copy the MG 42 after the war. The M60 of Vietnam fame was the result of that.

Cool, huh? (YMMV)

See you next time, ciao!



¹ Semi-automatic = Cock the weapon and pull the trigger, the weapon will reload itself after each round but you have to keep pulling the trigger, once per round.
² Automatic = Cock the weapon and pull the trigger and the weapon will continue to fire until you're out of ammunition. (Or the weapon jams. 😒)

48 comments:

  1. Ah, interesting vid and what was the squad NCO reenactor doing setup of the ambush? Not checking over important items.....maybe like a blank adapter being attached? No chance to learn and live that time Sarge.

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    1. Bear in mind, these were reenactors, not real soldiers.

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  2. Rate of fire. The attitude of "Ohmygawd! We can't allow the men to fire that fast!" was why the lever action wasn't accepted by the Army. And why the 30-40 Krag and the 1903 Springfield had magazine cutoffs.
    If I recall correctly, I suppose I could google it, the Gatling Gun carriage in the 1870s had an "oscillator" that would sweep the Gun 6 degrees to each side as it was firing.

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    1. Yeah, heaven forbid that the troops expend all of that expensive ammunition. Classic bean counter attitude.

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    2. Yes, the Gatling had an oscillator. So did most 'heavy' machine guns and even some 'light' machine guns on tripod mounts. Very effective for area denial, dontcha know.

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  3. I read that the US had the blueprints for the German jerry can early but for some reason stayed with the inferior square tin can for a lot of the war.

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    1. Probably the "not made here" mentality at work.

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    2. More likely something about not wanting to change everything midstream. The square can being 'good enough.' And tooling is expensive, so is testing, getting it right repeatedly and yada yada. It's not just 'not made here' and 'beancounter' bullscat. Sometimes you just have to produce what ya got now vs what you want later.

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    3. We did capture a lot of jerrycans and used them.

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    4. They made them later in the war.

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  4. Interesting article. Made me appreciate the rate of fire of the M61 Vulcan cannon in the F-15 a bit more.

    6,000 rounds per minute.
    Just sayin'
    juvat

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    1. OTOH, you didn't have someone schlepping extra ammo for that gun, now did you?

      Short bursts are your friend.

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    2. I want a video of them swapping barrels at 20,000 feet!

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    3. At 20,000 feet and, what, 300 knots, does it really matter?

      Not exactly

      https://www.facebook.com/100042796764439/posts/pfbid02bN2AUZs6SVZZXSg79MsWisXpVMHTuoaucy7i6LBzQDeKWB2cUUnshmXGc7TobEX8l/?mibextid=CDWPTG

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    4. Made me remember the guy humping "Old painless" the minigun in the movie "Predator". My first thought was that because the gun runs on an electric motor (recoil springs can't cycle fast enough), he has to be carrying a battery along. My second though was that, considering the cyclic rate, he couldn't carry enough ammo to need all that big a battery.

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    5. The ammo he used in that movie must have been weightless, and invisible.

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    6. We Badgers find the 2 rounds per minute of the MK7 Rifle to be quite satisfactory.

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    7. Kinda depends on what you're shooting at ...

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    8. Scott, those are kinda difficult to carry through bocage country.

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    9. Kinda difficult to carry period.

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  5. Sarge, before reading your stories I could not tell you the name of the MG42 although I had read on Germany in WW II for years. Thanks for the education.

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  6. Pretty good video, despite some of the images being not really applicable. But the history is good
    Thanks for sharing that one.
    JB

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  7. The MG-34 and the MG-42 were both excellent general purpose machine guns. Able to function as a light squad weapon using a bipod and some really neat small rotary magazines, as a medium machine gun with a light tripod and belt fed, and as a heavy machine gun with a much heavier tripod equipped with all sorts of doodads and thingamagigs to allow all sorts of stuff.

    Still, the basis being a receiver with a quick-change barrel.

    Funny that the -42 improved greatly over the -34. And came out cheaper due to heavy use of stamped metal parts.

    As to the M60, the later variants fixed all the issues of the earlier versions, but by that time the Army had already moved on. Sigh.

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    1. Armies always seem to be "moving on." Our Navy has been doing that a lot lately. Moving on with nothing to replace what they moved on from.

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    2. Sarge, you said “I shoulda been have been a teacher” … my friend, you ARE a teacher, and all of us readers benefit from and appreciate it!

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    3. I've got a fair background with GPMG's; a LOT of experience with the Pig (and Ma Deuce) dunno if I agree later versions "fixed all the issues". Removing the requirement for the bolt to be back in order to close the top cover ( a sop to the SEALs) greatly complicated the top cover, making it difficult to maintain and repair. Many of the criticisms of the M60 were based on worn out or ill-maintained examples.
      That said our people did some STUPID stuff designing the gun; the bipod legs on the barrel being one of the worst - and this was rectified on the E (aka " Team Guy") model. The real failure was in not replicating the barrel change.of the MG-42.
      I shot the MG-3 a good bit ( even qualified on it) and it's a GREAT gun; but don't have the experience to say how it compares to the 240, which replaced the Pig.
      My $.02
      Boat Guy

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    4. Your $.02 is worth quite a lot in these parts, BG!

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  8. The US botched their copy of the Hispano Suiza 20mm cannon as well, leading to us eventually fielding the F-86 with 50 caliber machine guns as late as the Korean war.

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    1. I did not know that! Thanks, Mark!

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    2. We wouldn't listen to the RAF about the proper length of the bolt. There was a mistake made, in converting the metric measurements Hispano Suiza used, into proper SAE measurements. The RAF sorted it out and corrected it, but the US didn't believe them.

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  9. My Uncle Jim Godsey and Father-in-law Joe Hostnick (1st Inf) HATED the MG-42.
    In no particular order they hated the aforementioned MG, the 88mm gun, 80mm mortar (Joe carried mortar fragments to his dying day), and S-mines.
    The 42 had a successful post-war run and, with slight modification, is STILL in service with the Bundeswehr and Austrian army.

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    1. My Uncle Charlie (63rd Inf) and Uncle John (4th Inf) had no love for that gun.

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  10. HK makes them to this very day, as the MG3. You would have thought that by now they would have made enough to satisfy the demand.

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    1. Like the Na Deuce, ya can't keep a good design down. An 80 year old MG-42 still blows the door off of any of today's MGs, except a G-3.
      I joined the Cal Army Guard in '83, an M-60 tank support unit, because I would be in the Armament section. Our M-60s were jam-a-matics. One of my buddies was a Class lll, dealer, manufacturer, Hollywood supplier, advisor, armorer and had an MG-42, among others. He could shoot 8mm, 7.62 NATO or 30.06 with a barrel swap. At the time, lots of cheap Turkish 8mm was available. I got to shoot it a few times, the recoil was a steady push compared to the distinct recoil impulses of the 600ish RPM of the M-60. Swapping the barrel was quick and easy, M-60, not so much.
      He was he first guy to perfect a blank firing 1911.

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    2. Hey TM; if you didn't like the M60, you'da really HATED the 7.62mm coaxial gun, the M73. What a mess! The .50 intended for the commander's cupola was as bad or worse.
      BG

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  11. "Ackshully" I heard the M-60 is the unholy mashup of the FG-42 (action) and MG-42 (top cover). Here's a video describing the evolutionary "missing link": https://youtu.be/Xdwx17V_7VY?si=R3PTdunyl_bR81Qb

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    1. Which is mentioned in the video posted above ...

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