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Anyhoo, Suz, the Chant's reigning Medical Officer, left the following (avec juvat's answer below that.)
Well, uniform violations immediately springs to mind. Wearing it wrong, wearing it dirty, missing pieces of it, adding unauthorized pieces to it, it's a "sergeant thing." Some officers liked to play the game as well. (But not fighter pilots, egads, them and their flight suits, it's like a license to look cool without being sharply dressed. There oughta be a law ...)
But I digress.
Contrary to what our M.O. says above, to wit - "Uniforms are articles of clothing whose mission is to keep a multitude of bodies decent in mixed company." Well, yes and no. While common decency is a thing ...
"Who told you that you were naked?" Genesis 3:11
It ain't the only thing.
Way back in the day, fighting units didn't really have any uniforms (and some still don't, more on that in a bit). It must have been rather confusing to have a few hundred (or thousand) guys all slashing and bashing each other when they were all dressed pretty much the same.
"Oops, sorry Achilles, thought you were one of them."
So some uniformity, to tell who is who, was needed. At first it might have been a strip of cloth tied around one arm, everyone on one side having the same color. Also sprigs of the local flora might be sported in one's cap.
"No, no, no, Carl, hit the guys who DON'T have a sprig of Douglas fir in their caps."
That, not being sufficient to the day, led to armies all wearing the same color uniform. Which was more or less the case up to a certain point. Sometimes the style of one's headgear and/or the cut of one's uniform would let you gauge who was who.
The Duke of Wellington rather liked the British light cavalries' distinctive headgear in Spain. A crested helmet (the Tarleton helmet) which was very different from the shako the French lights wore.
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So of course some higher up decided to change that and give the British light cavalry a shako which looked remarkably like the French one.
D'oh.
So, uniforms help you tell the good guys from the bad guys, more or less. (Imagine the confusion during the early months of our own Civil War where some Confederates wore blue and some Federals wore gray and the Zouaves dressed in various (and very much alike) ways ...
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Hell, in the heat of combat, who can tell?
Eventually both sides calmed down and went to more, ahem, uniform uniforms. (See what I did there?)
Then we get to Ukraine, where the Ukrainians wear basically the same uniforms as the Russians ...
So we're back to using colored arm bands to tell everyone apart.
Uniforms then, and somewhat now, served a morale purpose as well. If your uniform looked good, you'd look good (or at least feel you looked good).
White crossbelts made you look broader in the chest, tall caps (some of bear skin) made you look taller. It was meant to make you feel like a warrior and to make the enemy a little bit scared of you.
Then again, those were parade ground uniforms ...
In battle you'd be wearing coveralls instead of fancy trousers, a greatcoat to cover up the fancy jacket, you'd put all the fancy plumes in your knapsack, and wrap your fancy hat in an oilskin. All that finery costs money you know!
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Now don't get me started on the Space Force uniforms. I Googled those after dinner, what I saw almost made me lose my dinner. Argh.
As to bandsmen being "senior" in rank, I say go back to the old days where they were simply bandsmen, non-combatants. Good pay but they couldn't be schlepping about the PX ordering the actual line doggies around.
Yes, I've seen it happen.
Who has the best looking uniforms? Duh, the United States Marine Corps. Second best, the Army's new "pinks and greens." Based on a WWII uniform, looks good and has tradition behind it. The Navy comes in third, ya gotta like those "choker whites."
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A fine example of a naval officer in choker whites. Our own Captain Carroll F. LeFon Jr. (And his Gorram sword.) |
I do believe the Air Force spawned the Space Force just so our uniforms weren't the worst of all. No, the "Guardians" have that covered. (Same name as a baseball team? Geez.)
That's enough for now, I could go on and talk about General McPeak and his idiotic uniform changes in my Air Force, but my stomach already hurts from looking at those Space Force uniforms.
I bid thee, adieu.
Author's Note: Yup, The Muse is still absent. I'm thinking she's not going to be back for a while, but ya never know.
Good run down on the basics of why uniforms without getting into the minutia of collar/cuff/.facing colors, button spacing, button color (I can never remember why white metal is senior to yellow metal). Or why NCOs in some armies had yellow reinforcing bands on their shkos rather than the black of lesser mortals.
ReplyDeleteWar of 1861...for some odd reason the Confederacy went with collar insignia for officers, then had to add the braid on the sleeve and pattern of buttons on the coats because the bushy beards covered the collars....go figure.
Anyone else notice that every time we get a "Muse is missing" message she springs into action within two days?
The minutia of collar/cuff/facing colors, button spacing, button color only applied for a couple of centuries at best and wasn't applicable in all armies. (You forgot to mention the button lace!) The Brits were heavily into that and still are in some ways in their dress uniforms. You can tell which Guards regiment is which by the buttons and their spacing/grouping.
DeleteI liked the approach the French infantry took under Napoléon, everyone had (more or less) the same uniform, your regiment was stamped on your shako plate. Very economic really.
Crusty Old TV Tech here. It's not like ye olde Air Force didn't have snappy dress. Remember the 1548's (khaki's)? Or those dark blue 1549's, with the tucked-in tie. They eliminated both just as I was in ROTC, too bad. And the old AAC/AAF original "pinks and greens" were very nice. Glad the Army's brought them back. Wish the AF would! But, sigh, yes, the USAF nowadays has the second-goofiest uniforms, and the Spacers the goofiest. I wonder what their uniform board was smoking. Those Space Force enlisted rank insignia are like something out of Fantastic Voyage. And speaking of NCO rank insignia...MSgt's do NOT have housetops! Whose blasted fever dream was that? CMSgt, 2 up, 6 down, if you please!
ReplyDeleteActually the "new" senior NCO stripes for the Air Force make a great deal of sense. Top 3 now have distinctive insignia much like the Navy's top 3. The older stripes were okay, the newer ones have a sort of logic about them, easy to see at a glance. For a brief shining moment in time the top 3 in the Air Force wore epaulettes with their stripes on them to distinguish them from the other ranks (E-6 and below). I liked them, some of the newer generation did not and they went by the wayside after I retired.
DeleteI wore the khakis and the dark blue shirt (khakis were issued, the dark blue shirt was not). The khakis were practical and comfortable in the hotter regions of the globe (far superior to the light blue shirt and dark blue pants). The dress uniform I was issued looked like a uniform. Epaulets, four pockets with flaps, looked a lot like the Army's Class As but in Air Force blue.
The new uniforms suck and they suck hard.
Of all the uniforms I wore in the Army Khakis were my favorite, next was surgical scrubs (the "flight suit" of medicine).
DeleteIn all my interoperational events with "sister units" I was always amused how well we thought of the OTHER Militaries stuff :-)
Re: surgical scrubs (the "flight suit" of medicine) - love it!
DeleteIn terms of the Classical world, the Laconians ("Spartans") were some of the first in Western records that had a uniform appearance, if not a "uniform" itself, theoretically given by Lycurgus the Lawgiver: red cloaks, long hair and beards with a shave upper lip, and the Greek letter "lambda" on their shields (eventually most of the Greek polis ended up going with a letter identification rather than previous displays of heraldry). At the time, the uniform appearance of the Spartans, combined with their reputation for victory (even at the Battle of Leuktra in 371 B.C. after having suffered a series of defeats over the previous 30 years, there was still some concern) were enough to create a feeling of fear and concern in those facing them.
ReplyDelete(Also somewhat interestingly, no-one else ever really tried to copy their overall appearance.)
Odd that no one ever copied their appearance.
DeleteThe Crimean War brought the French kepi to American armies. The Franco-Prussian War brought the pickelhaube to many armies (Chile springs to mind). Many armies now have combat helmets similar to those used in the US Army in Desert Storm. Success breeds copycats in many cases. (As to the Fritz helmet, it's a good design.)
The US Army's first version of an updated combat helmet around 1937 or so had a profile very much like the classic German WWII helmet. Designers looked at a lot of medieval armor and, like the Germans, determined that a variant of the medieval sallet was the way to go. Early production versions had some issues, and questions arose about the similarity to the Germans, and a modified, more easy to produce version came out, thus the classic US helmet was born. If you look close, you can see the downswoop over the ears on the US helmet, not as pronounced as on the German, and the back of the head is about covered the same.
DeleteSounds like you're talking about the M5 or M5A helmets, both developed during WWI. They bear a marked resemblance to the German "coal scuttle" helmet.
DeleteI've worn both the German and two versions of the American helmet. The back of the neck coverage is much better in the German and US "Fritz" helmets. Though when prone, the American design is easier on the back of the neck and shoulder area.
I have no dog in the Army fight, as I am a Coast Guard vet (and once we got logistics straight on the "Bender Blues" and ditched the polyester uniforms in the mid-80s, they've been OK). But I am glad not to be in the Army these days ... seeing officers testify before Congress in ASU Blues reminds me of the Soviets (except that our people wear berets and not caps with crowns the size of dinner platters). I am annoyed by this generation of pinks-n-greens, which seem like a stunt harkening back to a time when Americans actually admired our military personnel. What was wrong with the post-Vietnam ASU Greens, anyway?
ReplyDeleteI was irked by the pinks and greens at first, but they grew on me.
DeleteFWIW, I despise the Army's berets, with the exception of Special Forces and Rangers.
'Tis a silly, useless piece of headgear.
WORSE from a wearers POV.
DeleteA Wool BLANKET on your head while standing at parade rest for hours in the sun.
AND oddly COLD in winter wear.
Glad to get that confirmed, Michael. It's ugly and it sucks to have to wear it.
DeleteSurgical scrubs!! UGH!!! I hate them! They are always cold, never fit right, are always too long, and are just sloppy looking in my opinion. I was lucky enough to not ever work in the OR, so I didn't have to wear them there, and when I worked in the MD office setting, we had to wear white bottoms and a colored top that was neat looking and without any printing on it, so I wore white jeans and colored polo tops for almost 14 years, when I went into a telephonic monitoring service calling medically high risk folks and teaching them over the phone how to stay out of the hospital. There I could wear regular people clothes--think business casual. When I got into home care, it was back to uniforms again, navy blue pants and white tops in the winter, and light blue bottoms, or dresses/skirts in the summers.
ReplyDeleteMy biggest kevetch about scrubs is EVERYONE wears them now, so ya never know who this person is that just came popping into your hospital room. Even if they have a name tag on, and most do, while their name maybe easy to read, their position frequently isn't. So ya never are sure if you are talking with your nurse (RN or LPN), the aide (CNA) or the med tech (there are a huge bunch of them out there these days) , the janitorial staff or the kitchen staff until they start doing something. Cause EVERYONE is in scrubs.
Ok, I grant that the peds scrubs are kinda cute, but still!! And of course no nurse wears a nurse's cap any more, just a pin from the school ya graduated from. Maybe.
So, basically, scrubs in the medical field are similar to the flight suits in the Air Force. Sorta.
While traveling back from MI about 2 weeks ago, I had a lay-over of about 4 hours at Midway...yes, I know NY is east of MI and Midway is west of MI, I just go where the pilot flies the plane that I can afford to buy a ticket on...anywho...I come walking up to the gate for the eastern bound flight and there is like only 2 empty seats in the entire section. It is full of about 30ish fresh off the base/out of basic freshly minted sailors in their black bellbottoms and tops with the white caps. The one fellow I sat next to who was chatting to his girlfriend on his cell said it was the first time he had worn this uniform. They all looked pretty spify, and I could easily imagine them lined up along the railing of a ship coming into port...they were all heading to SC to be engineers on the subs was what they informed me. I shared that my brother-in-law had been a sonar guy on a sub for 8+ years. This fellow was from TX, and he was astonished that some nice older lady (not me, before I got there) had been standing in line for breakfast ahead of him, thanked him for his service and paid for his meal before he realized what was going on. He was upset he couldn't at least say thank you. I told him to let it go, and pay it forward once he was old, grey, and no longer in the Navy, and came across a young fellow in the military. That there are many ways to say thank you, and buying a meal for a young hungry sailor in one of them. He just shook his head, and couldn't get over it. That lady really made his day, not just his meal.
So while the Revolutionary soldiers might have frequently worn buckskin, especially Roger's Rangers, and looked like every day folks, uniforms can help you to stand out in a good way amongst the rest of the hoi polloi.
Suz
Headed to SC? No doubt that bunch was headed to Nuke School in Charleston, so they would be a pretty bright bunch!
DeleteAnybody and everybody seems to wear scrubs these days, what makes that different for flight suits is that you have to be aircrew to wear a flight suit in the Air Force. (Navy too, unless that's changed.)
Great story BTW!
BZ to Suz for her good deed!
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Indeed!
DeleteReally enjoyed your comment Suz! My nephew was one of those nuke school sailors just a few months ago- sharp, polite, and is already a great asset to his ship.
DeleteWell, he's a Nuke, isn't he? (Said the father of a Nuke.)
DeleteThe entire bunch of them were VERY polite!! I can't remember the last time I was "ma'am"ed that much!! And all of them had joined right out of high school. There was one short little gal who was in charge of the entire class photo, and she kept walking away from it to go wander around...guess they has been there since 1AM, I got there at 7:30AM, and they didn't board the plane until 10:30ish, so we had a nice long time to chat. I watched their stuff in exchange for them watching mine while I grabbed a meal to go and then when I headed to the ladies room. They were definitely a credit to the Navy.
DeleteSuz
A lot of the kids are all right. There is some hope.
DeleteArmy uniform when I was in was Green in the winter and Khakis in the summer for Class A. Fatigues otherwise. The only concern was the gig line and polished boots or low quarters. What angered me was switching from the "Ridgeway" cover to that stupid Babe Ruth baseball cap. Fidel Castro wore a Ridgeway so we had to change?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I didn't care for that baseball cap business.
DeleteAs one who has worn crackerjacks, dungarees with a dixie cup, service dress khaki, wash khaki, service dress blues and whites (choker) and the short sleeve tropical whites, all were reasonably good chick magnets (or so I am told), and except for the chokers were reasonably comfortable and practical.
ReplyDeleteBut, the USN has gone nutso at times. The enlisted blue bus driver and storm troop charades of the late 1980s and 90s were most unseamanlike. The pen!s envy for camouflage resulting in adoption of the blueberry working uniform is absurd and inexplicable. (At least the 1944 dalliance with gray versions of the khaki uniform for camouflage reasons had some truth in it.)
Today's Navy "Service Uniform" sometimes called "peanut butters" is an April fool's prank inflicted on sailors, probably by Marine Lance Corporals.
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Navy%20Uniforms/Uniform%20Regulations/Chapter3/Enlisted_Images/em_service_lg.jpg?ver=7CBPyRrR0XPaEE53BqAPFg%3D%3D
It is black (not Navy blue, but black) pants with short sleeve khaki shirt distinguishable from USMC shirts, and a black garrison cap. Actually it is a good looking uniform, but devoid of any nautical association, other than looking a lot like our passengers.
For personnel safety, shipboard uniforms should be returned to khaki for officers and Chiefs, and dungarees and chambray shirts for E-6 and below, all cotton for flame resistant properties. Ditch the cammies ("Navy Working Uniform") for anything except SEABEES and Corpsmen assigned to the Marines who really should use USMC working uniforms.
John Blackshoe
Concur with all of the above!
DeleteWell, neither of you are going to like the new Navy working uniform. It's got the same cut as the current green flavored cammies, but in solid dark blue. Actually, maybe not the same cut- they are a little more sloppy looking and loose fitting- designed I think for the heavier set sailors. Unknown if they have elastic waistbands. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/27/new-in-2024-new-flame-retardant-uniform-to-hit-more-ships/
DeleteMany other folks in the Navy wore cammies before the "Type III" idiocy, Brother B; those of us on the lunatic fringe aka SpecWar and the aforementioned Bees and Corpsmen. I wonder if any of the latter still wear USMC Service Dress Green albeit with Navy Rating insignia. The attempt by the Navy to wear something akin to USMC "Charlies" you mention above just look like a silly imitation; if you've seen it look "good" you're ahead of me.
DeleteThe idea of ALL US personnel wearing a similar uniform seems to have gone away when the Marines abandoned the Woodland Camouflage uniform for their very own copyrighted pattern and the race was on. The mention of khakis also harkens back to a time when all of the services wore the color; Army, Navy officers and Chiefs (still), Marines and even the fledgling Air Force. Of course that didn't last. Still I can remember a time when US SOF all wore the Woodland cammies (of course with each service having distinguishing differences) but at least the other countries knew we were all Americans.
Boat Guy
Tuna - That uniform isn't as bad as some I've seen. In fact, it's better than a lot of 'em. (Looking at you blueberries!)
DeleteI miss my woodland cammies. Practical and comfortable.
DeleteAbsolutely Agree.
DeleteWe're all in cahoots here.
DeleteI joined the Air Force when they were issuing the polyester pickle uniform. After my initial training it was the BDU. I was part of the testbed group trying out the various designs for a new AF uniform. I retired before the new uniform rolled out.
ReplyDeleteI dislike polyester in all its very flammable varieties. Well, no, actually it melts, doesn't it?
DeleteSarge. yes indeed polyester melts if not hot enough to burn. The Brits learned that in the Falklands along with the value of antiflash hood and gloves (never mind how hot they are to wear).
DeleteDiscovered that about polyester, brand new uniform trousers, lit cigarette, yup, melted clean through.
DeleteNot every branch or country can have their uniforms designed by Hugo Boss.
ReplyDeleteAnd at least the Space Force didn't decide to go with a blue-on-blue camo BDU for their daily uniform. Seriously, US Navy, what were you thinking?
The Space Force should have gone with a black version of the regular AF uniform, but then...
Stupid. And the uniform changes every 3-5 years? Start with WWII uniforms and work from there.
Well, the SS uniforms that Boss allegedly designed are garish, non-practical, and weren't issued to anyone outside of the Allgemeine SS (well, they probably had to buy theirs) and select SS Leibstandarte guard units for duty in Berlin.
DeleteI've been in the field with WWII era German kit and much prefer the US kit. German stuff looks "cool" but it ain't that practical compared to the US kit.
A special absurdity is the camo garments for the Space Force. In space, no enemy will see your uniform. And on the ground, they won't see it at your console either.
DeleteWhen I became an office wienie (computer guy), we used to joke that our cammo uniforms should have office furniture and computer equipment on them.
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DeleteWe thought it was cute.
Deletethe space Force has out done the USAF in dumb uniform. my idea (never submitted) was AF blue pants, Black shirt, covered buttons, no tie (I loathe them) mandarin type collar, blouse in black again with no visible button's midline, open collar, no fracking chrome badges ribbons as usual. as to their enlisted rank I have no words
ReplyDeleteSad, innit?
DeleteThe Space Force already had a pre-existing uniform set ready and good to go. https://www.fanrek.com/collections/star-trek?gad_source=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItJuFiq2jiQMVA59aBR2hmQcaEAAYASAAEgIbMvD_BwE
DeleteHeh.
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